In this episode, Defib and Dial Up engage in a heartfelt conversation with David Wong, also known as Phoenix. David shares his transformative journey from a privileged upbringing in Ecuador to facing personal challenges, including a divorce and a renewed commitment to faith and fitness. He discusses the importance of community, the impact of F3, and his experiences with personal growth through physical challenges and spiritual awakening. David emphasizes the significance of self-care and resilience, offering insights and encouragement to men navigating their own struggles.

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