TV personality and interior designer Genevieve Gorder gives Amy and Jaime the lowdown on the whirlwind that was Trading Spaces, which changed the trajectory of her life and career. She also tells the story of working for Prince back in the day, and gets candid on divorce, motherhood, and telling off contractors.

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Clever is created, hosted and produced by Amy Devers and Jaime Derringer with music from El Ten Eleven and editing by Chris Modl.

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