Julian Jackson, Emeritus Professor of Modern French History at Queen Mary University of London and author of France on Trial: The Case of Marshal Pétain, joins the show to discuss the rise and fall of “the Lion of Verdun”; Philippe Pétain.

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   01:06 Introduction

   01:53 How Pétain became the “Hero of France” in WW1

   11:32  France sues for peace with Germany in 1940

   18:52 The legality of the armistice

   27:49 Churchill’s take on the armistice         

   33:48 What Was Vichy France?

   41:43 Vichy’s treatment of the Jews    

   53:05 Distancing France from extermination         

   58:13 Why does Pétain stay a servant to the Nazis

   01:07:38 Vichy and Pétain on trial today

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