In this episode, internally nicknamed “The First Pancake,” Jaime and Amy interview each other. Find out how Jaime built the Design Milk brand, how she grew up in furniture stores, and how she is using art as therapy to work through issues of perfectionism. Learn why Amy decided to pursue furniture design, how she came to be a TV personality and how she got the childhood nickname “Schneider.” Jaime and Amy also reveal the origin story of Clever and how they came up with the name.

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Clever is created, hosted and produced by Amy Devers and Jaime Derringer with music from El Ten Eleven and editing by Chris Modl.

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