In this episode, I speak with my good friend Donald Owen Colley, an artist based in Chicago.

Like the previous couple of episodes, this one is also a Second Conversation, i.e. a chance to catch up with guests who have already appeared on the show. I share with Don some new ideas I've imbibed from having conversations with so many wonderful guests, and hear his plans and ideas for his work. Jump ahead to 1:22:30 to hear the Second Conversation only.

Don and I met when I lived in Chicago. We immediately hit it off because we share a deep love for human activity and urban spaces. His work is characterized by a close observation of life and marked by a genuine empathy for other people. He brings sharp observation and a nuanced understanding to both his art and his arguments. I hope you will see that also from the conversation in this episode. Follow Don's work on Instagram.

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