We’re back with our trusted Fertility Specialist, Dr. Charley Zheng, someone who has supported both of us through our own fertility journeys, for a deeply honest and, at times, controversial conversation.

In this episode, we ask Charley all the burning, unanswered questions we’ve been holding onto, the ones that so many patients think about but rarely get to discuss openly with their doctor.

Together, we unpack the emotional weight of fertility treatment, from the desperation that leads people to try unproven add-ons in hopes of improving their chances, to the complex reasons behind “clinic shopping” and how hard it can be to make decisions when so much is uncertain.

We also address the recent embryo mix-up that devastated the fertility community, how it could happen, what safeguards exist, and what this means for trust in the system.

Charley speaks openly and humbly from both a clinical and personal perspective, offering a rare glimpse into what it’s like to be a doctor who has also walked this road. In a powerful moment of vulnerability, he shares how his own fertility experience has shaped the way he cares for his patients, with empathy, honesty, and compassion that comes from truly understanding what it’s like to be on the other side.

This is a heartfelt and important conversation, and one with someone we are eternally grateful for in helping make our families possible.

DISCLAIMER: please refer to your medical professional for medical advice as this podcast is based on individual personal experiences. This specific episode is relating to fertility treatments and medical procedures taken place in Australia.

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