In this episode of Leaders, a Network Marketing Podcast, host Keith Callahan sits down with Eva Schmidt, a top-ranking leader known not just for her results, but for the deep culture and movement she’s built along the way.

Eva shares how spontaneity, grit, and a long-game mindset helped her turn a desire for freedom into a thriving business. She and Keith unpack the difference between building transactions and building people, why intuition often beats checklists, and how real duplication begins when leaders stop trying to be the star.

Together, they dive into the concept of pointer vs. proof leadership, what it means to grow something that can live without you, and how developing others starts with doing the hard work yourself. If you’ve ever felt the pull to lead differently, with more purpose and less ego, this conversation will challenge and inspire you in all the right ways.

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