So much news coverage is devoted to the president, but it turns out that first ladies have had an incredibly influential and undercovered role in many White Houses. At the same time, it is an often thankless job that receives a lot of scrutiny. 

Mosheh sits down with New York Times White House correspondent and author, Katie Rogers, exploring her new book, ‘American Woman: The Transformation of the Modern First Lady.’ 

In our conversation, we dive straight into Jill Biden's role in the White House, especially when it comes to managing crises, from international wars to the struggles of Hunter Biden–including what it means that she is the family “grudge holder.” 

This edition also delves into how several other recent first ladies—Melania Trump, Michelle Obama, Laura Bush, and Hillary Clinton–how each viewed their roles over the last 30 years, and some surprising revelations about their time in the White House. 

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