In this episode, Jesse and Lindsey talk about how Type 1s tend to relate to God. Then they interview Todd Engstrom, Executive Pastor of Ministry Strategies at The Austin Stone Community Church in Austin, Texas. Todd talks about how 1s can experience routine frustration with God and how he has come to experience God's patience and joy. Everyone plays Your Worst Nightmare, Jesse and Lindsey almost seem to be working together on this game. Also, which scares Todd more: clowns or toilets overflowing? Connect with Todd: Instagram - @tengstrom Web - http://toddengstrom.com/