Cal Flyn is a writer and journalist who lives on Orkney, off the north coast of Scotland. Her latest book tells the story of a dozen abandoned places around the world, from Chernobyl to the volcanic Caribbean, and particularly at how nature reclaims and rebounds after humans leave.

Cal’s conversation with Matt explores the peculiar connection humans have to abandoned spaces, as well as the concept of ‘jolie laid’ – or ‘ugly beautiful’ – and how awe and wonder can be found in the bleakest and most desolate of landscapes. 

We apologise for the audio quality in this episode, recorded remotely via an online app. The conversation is extraordinary, but the sound quality leaves a little to be desired at times. We’re already working on improving this for future episodes that we’re unable to record in the same room.

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