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After Jesse presents Katie with two equally moral solutions to the goat roblems that have been plaguing her, the hosts discuss the recent brouhaha surrounding E.O. Wilson, Scientific American, and Razib Khan. In addition, Stephen Jay Gould was such a dick. To discuss this episode with other premium subscribers, click here. (Thank you to @metorotem for the episode title.)
Show notes/Links:
Goats:
WilsonKhanghazi:
E.O. Wilson obit: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/27/science/eo-wilson-dead.html
Two good books on this sort of thing by Alice Dreger and Stephen Pinker:
https://www.amazon.com/Galileos-Middle-Finger-Heretics-Activists/dp/0143108115
https://www.amazon.com/Blank-Slate-Modern-Denial-Nature/dp/0142003344
E.O. Wilson letter quoted here:
https://spectatorworld.com/newsletter/misremembering-e-o-wilson/
The disastrous Scientific American article:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-complicated-legacy-of-e-o-wilson/
No need to, like, quote:
Good takedown:
https://scottaaronson.blog/?p=6202
Even Turkheimer isn’t having it:
https://www.twitter.com/ent3c/status/1476626271090233346
Razib’s (and others’) rebuttal:
The Gawker article:
http://tktk.gawker.com/new-times-op-ed-writer-has-a-colorful-past-with-racist-169218784
His TakiMag stuff:
http://takimag.com/contributor/razibkhan/130
His Unz stuff:
https://www.unz.com/author/razib-khan/
Grant:
http://990s.foundationcenter.org/990pf_pdf_archive/207/207181582/207181582_200912_990PF.pdf#page=16
More accusations:
https://evolutionnews.org/2019/05/geneticist-razib-khan-a-darwinist-and-the-alt-right/
Here’s where “quadroon Jews” was:
https://www.unz.com/gnxp/how-ashkenazi-jewish-are-you/
Khan on eugenics:
https://www.razib.com/wordpress/2012/11/11/eugenics-the-100-year-cycle/
Khan in Discover forever ago:
https://www.discovermagazine.com/health/why-race-as-a-biological-construct-matters
2000 VDARE letter with race/IQ stuff:
https://vdare.com/letters/vdare-khan-letter-and-sailer-reply-america-s-imported-caste-system
People mad/repentant/etc.:
Good rundown:
Nuanced discussion of guilt-by-association and McCarthyism:
https://archive.is/R0m6D
Aaaaaand it’s gone:
REPENT, MOTHERFUCKER!:
Khan encouraged people to stay civil and keep the focus on Wilson, then went back to genetics and living his life:
He also went on the podcast Urbane Cowboys to discuss the whole affair:
Image: CAMBRIDGE, MA - APRIL 17: Biologist, naturalist and writer E.O. (Ed) Wilson in his Harvard office in the Museum of Comparative Zoology. (Photo by Suzanne Kreiter/The Boston Globe via Getty Images)
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After Jesse presents Katie with two equally moral solutions to the goat roblems that have been plaguing her, the hosts discuss the recent brouhaha surrounding E.O. Wilson, Scientific American, and Razib Khan. In addition, Stephen Jay Gould was such a dick. To discuss this episode with other premium subscribers, click here. (Thank you to @metorotem for the episode title.)
Show notes/Links:
Goats:
WilsonKhanghazi:
E.O. Wilson obit: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/27/science/eo-wilson-dead.html
Two good books on this sort of thing by Alice Dreger and Stephen Pinker:
https://www.amazon.com/Galileos-Middle-Finger-Heretics-Activists/dp/0143108115
https://www.amazon.com/Blank-Slate-Modern-Denial-Nature/dp/0142003344
E.O. Wilson letter quoted here:
https://spectatorworld.com/newsletter/misremembering-e-o-wilson/
The disastrous Scientific American article:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-complicated-legacy-of-e-o-wilson/
No need to, like, quote:
Good takedown:
https://scottaaronson.blog/?p=6202
Even Turkheimer isn’t having it:
https://www.twitter.com/ent3c/status/1476626271090233346
Razib’s (and others’) rebuttal:
The Gawker article:
http://tktk.gawker.com/new-times-op-ed-writer-has-a-colorful-past-with-racist-169218784
His TakiMag stuff:
http://takimag.com/contributor/razibkhan/130
His Unz stuff:
https://www.unz.com/author/razib-khan/
Grant:
http://990s.foundationcenter.org/990pf_pdf_archive/207/207181582/207181582_200912_990PF.pdf#page=16
More accusations:
https://evolutionnews.org/2019/05/geneticist-razib-khan-a-darwinist-and-the-alt-right/
Here’s where “quadroon Jews” was:
https://www.unz.com/gnxp/how-ashkenazi-jewish-are-you/
Khan on eugenics:
https://www.razib.com/wordpress/2012/11/11/eugenics-the-100-year-cycle/
Khan in Discover forever ago:
https://www.discovermagazine.com/health/why-race-as-a-biological-construct-matters
2000 VDARE letter with race/IQ stuff:
https://vdare.com/letters/vdare-khan-letter-and-sailer-reply-america-s-imported-caste-system
People mad/repentant/etc.:
Good rundown:
Nuanced discussion of guilt-by-association and McCarthyism:
https://archive.is/R0m6D
Aaaaaand it’s gone:
REPENT, MOTHERFUCKER!:
Khan encouraged people to stay civil and keep the focus on Wilson, then went back to genetics and living his life:
He also went on the podcast Urbane Cowboys to discuss the whole affair:
Image: CAMBRIDGE, MA - APRIL 17: Biologist, naturalist and writer E.O. (Ed) Wilson in his Harvard office in the Museum of Comparative Zoology. (Photo by Suzanne Kreiter/The Boston Globe via Getty Images)

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