Order, order, Gabby wants order! After a brief flit about from thing to thing (too excited this episode), we settle into a conversation about gardening podcast ASMR, the absolute poo heap that is Taylor Frankie Paul and the SLOMW franchise. Mel gives a heartwarming update from a listener and we talk through how annoying it is to be marketed having GLASS everything currently.

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