Damir and Shadi return to a familiar topic, but this time with a twist. Damir manages to sound like an optimist. He argues that the fad of wokeness will collapse under the weight of its own contradictions, while Shadi thinks it's probably too late. They also discuss whether justice is possible without God, the rather odd fact that Shadi's first academic article was on feminist theory, why white parents seem nonplussed about indoctrinating their kids, and whether a rising crime wave will undermine the woke revolution.

The debate continues in a special bonus episode, out on Saturday. Subscribe here to get it straight to your inbox.

Recommended Reading:

• "How America Fractured Into Four Parts," by George Packer (The Atlantic)
• "How Michel Foucault Lost the Left and Won the Right," by Ross Douthat (The New York Times)
• "Stop Blaming the Pandemic for America's Violent Crime Wave," by Zaid Jilani (Inquire)
• "Nice Woke Parents, Episode 4," (The New York Times)
• The Harper's Letter

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