In this inspiring episode recorded live from the 2025 HVAC Excellence Educators Conference in Las Vegas (on St. Patrick’s Day, no less!), Clifton sits down with Louise Kellar of UEi Test Instruments for a refreshing and heartfelt conversation about finding your voice in the HVACR industry.

They reflect on their own unexpected paths into the skilled trades, what it means to be driven by passion, and how identifying your niche—whether it’s airflow, test instruments, communication, or carbon monoxide safety—can turn into a lifelong purpose. From crawl space horror stories to celebrating the role of good communication, this episode is packed with wisdom, humor, and motivation for educators, technicians, and anyone navigating their HVACR journey.

This conversation is a reminder that sharing what sparks you can not only elevate your career—but help elevate the entire industry.