After Katie recounts a listener complaint and the cohosts announce a new focus for the podcast, the bulk of the episode consists of an interview Jesse conducted with Freddie deBoer, a brilliant thinker and writer whose first book, "The Cult of Smart: How Our Broken Education System Perpetuates Social Injustice," is a searing indictment of the American education system's most entrenched orthodoxy: the idea that just about any child can succeed academically. The second, patrons-only portion of the interview, a wider-ranging conversations about social media, online leftism, mental health, and other subjects, will be posted by the end of the day on Saturday, 7/25/2020 at the latest, and when it's ready this text will be replaced with a link.

Show notes/Links:

"The Cult of Smart" (yes, it is that good, and yes, you should pre-order it) - https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250224491

Freddie's website - https://fredrikdeboer.com/

FdB: the educational standardization trap - https://medium.com/@freddiedeboer/the-educational-standardization-trap-25aca6c0121

FdB: disentangling race from intelligence and genetics, or how to rescue behavioral genetics from racists - https://fredrikdeboer.com/2017/04/10/disentangling-race-from-intelligence-and-genetics/

FdB: addressing some complaints - https://fredrikdeboer.com/2017/04/11/addressing-some-complaints/