Amy and Margaret talk with bestselling author and "For the Love" podcaster Jen Hatmaker about her new memoir AWAKE.

Jen's book begins with the moment she knew her marriage was over, and goes on to tell the story of the midlife reckoning that followed—and how her life up until that point had left her, in some ways, particularly unprepared.

In this interview, Jen shares:

How women are taught to ignore their instincts and prioritize belonging

Why midlife brings inevitable upheaval — and opportunity

How to meet your past self with compassion, not shame

Here's where you can find Jen:

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