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Andrew Alexander is funny, compelling and full of great stories with excellent flair. Falling in love with forging, Andrew started collecting tools and has become one of the most knowledgable facilitators of restored metalworking equipment in the United States. We had a great conversation about some of his adventures buying metal shops, crossing boarders and his greatest purchase. We compared Culinary school stories, talked about the future in an American made Power hammer company and the potential for Television shows. Andrew rules and the time flied and I can’t wait to have him on again. Thanks again AA you’re the man- GF
Follow Andrew on Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/blacksmithtools/
Visit CMA’s website:
https://centerformetalarts.org/
***DON’T MISS THE CAMBRIA CONFERENCE SEPTEMBER 17TH!
Tap here for details: https://centerformetalarts.org/cambria-iron-conference-2/
There are still spots available for my next Forged Friction Folder workshop at CMA
Sept 3 & 4th:
https://centerformetalarts.org/product/friction-folder/
Please subscribe, leave a review and tell your friends about the show. it helps me out a lot!
Welcome TotalBoat
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25+ years experience in FULL SERVICE Website design, Graphic design and marketing for knife makers and all Craftsman:
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Brodbeck Ironworks
Makers of an Incrediblly versatile grinder, with Many different attachments
Leather sewing equipment and even abrasives
Go to Brodbeckironworks.com put in promo code Knifetalk and get the upgrade to the Mareko platen.
Get your Blacksmith hammers from John Erianne aka
https://www.instagram.com/sunsetforgenj/
http://sunsetforgenj.com/new-products
Go look at the course curriculum at CMA:
https://centerformetalarts.org/workshops/
** Taking classes from some of the best in forging at one of the best facilities in the country is an excellent opportunity to propel yourself as a blacksmith. Not to be missed. And with housing on the campus it’s a great way to get yourself to the next level.
Matt Harris is a Blacksmith and sculptor in Perryville, Maryland where he has a studio and company specializing in architectural forgings and Sculpture called Matthew Harris Studio. Matt builds beautiful railings, gates and residential ironwork that range from classic to more sculptural and you can see the connection and his personal style. Creating movement and flowing lightness is a theme in both his upwardly billowing sculpture “undulate” outside the Dansko distribution center as well as a recent railing that cascades downward following the staircase.
We had a great time talking about his growing up with a game warden father, the development of Art Vs. Craft and how we rationalize both.
I miss the days working in an ornamental ironworks shop with big projects and teamwork and it was great talking about that avenue of blacksmithing. I’m glad someone like Matt is leading the way as an Artist Blacksmith. Thanks again Matt, I really appreciate it. - All the best, Geoff
Follow Matt on Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/matthew_harris_studio/
Visit the Matthew Harris Studio website to see his magnificent portfolio:
https://matthewharris.studio/
Visit CMA’s website:
https://centerformetalarts.org/
***DON’T MISS THE CAMBRIA CONFERENCE SEPTEMBER 17TH!
Tap here for details: https://centerformetalarts.org/cambria-iron-conference-2/
There are still spots available for my next Forged Friction Folder workshop at CMA
Sept 3 & 4th:
https://centerformetalarts.org/product/friction-folder/
Please subscribe, leave a review and tell your friends about the show. it helps me out a lot!
Welcome TotalBoat
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And get 10% off with promocode: FULLBLAST10
Akinteractive
Get your Website designed by AK Interactive, Consultation, Graphic Design, logos, Signage design.
25+ years experience in FULL SERVICE Website design, Graphic design and marketing for knife makers and all Craftsman:
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Brodbeck Ironworks
Makers of an Incrediblly versatile grinder, with Many different attachments
Leather sewing equipment and even abrasives
Go to Brodbeckironworks.com put in promo code Knifetalk and get the upgrade to the Mareko platen.
Get your Blacksmith hammers from John Erianne aka
https://www.instagram.com/sunsetforgenj/
http://sunsetforgenj.com/new-products
Go look at the course curriculum at CMA:
https://centerformetalarts.org/workshops/
** Taking classes from some of the best in forging at one of the best facilities in the country is an excellent opportunity to propel yourself as a blacksmith. Not to be missed. And with housing on the campus it’s a great way to get yourself to the next level.
Matt Parkinson is a Bladesmith and Swordmarker, of Dragons Breath Forge in Wolcott, Connecticut, a ABS Journeyman Smith and the first ever Forged in Fire Champion. We had a great time talking about how he got his start and his love of swords. His experience building them and how knowing the history has given him a unique perspective on famous swords and how to spot fakes. We talked about what forging is and the misconceptions, how he came into teaching and embarrassing moments at renaissance fairs. Matt is the man and I suggest going to the Dragons Breath Forge for his upcoming classes. Also check out the Mystic Knife show. Thanks again Matt for a great time, we’ll definitely do it again. All the best- GF
Follow Matt on Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/swordmatt/
Visit Dragons Breath Forge:
https://dragonsbreathforge.com/
Check out the NCCA Knife Show:
http://www.ncca.info/shows.htm
Visit CMA’s website:
https://centerformetalarts.org/
***DON’T MISS THE CAMBRIA CONFERENCE SEPTEMBER 17TH!
Tap here for details: https://centerformetalarts.org/cambria-iron-conference-2/
There are still spots available for my next Forged Friction Folder workshop at CMA
Sept 3 & 4th:
https://centerformetalarts.org/product/friction-folder/
Please subscribe, leave a review and tell your friends about the show. it helps me out a lot!
Welcome TotalBoat
Adhesives, paints, primers and polishing compounds.
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And put in “Fullblast10” for 10% off
Go get yourself some all natural , food safe Axe Wax
Go to https://axewax.us/
And get 10% off with promocode: FULLBLAST10
Akinteractive
Get your Website designed by AK Interactive, Consultation, Graphic Design, logos, Signage design.
25+ years experience in FULL SERVICE Website design, Graphic design and marketing for knife makers and all Craftsman:
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TRMaker
@TRMAKERTR on instagram
Makers of an incredible grinding jig
Sharpening jigs
Contact wheels
Knife making supplies.
Super duper fast shipping well made
Go to TR-Maker.com
Brodbeck Ironworks
Makers of an Incrediblly versatile grinder, with Many different attachments
Leather sewing equipment and even abrasives
Go to Brodbeckironworks.com put in promo code Knifetalk and get the upgrade to the Mareko platen.
Get your Blacksmith hammers from John Erianne aka
https://www.instagram.com/sunsetforgenj/
http://sunsetforgenj.com/new-products
Go look at the course curriculum at CMA:
https://centerformetalarts.org/workshops/
** Taking classes from some of the best in forging at one of the best facilities in the country is an excellent opportunity to propel yourself as a blacksmith. Not to be missed. And with housing on the campus it’s a great way to get yourself to the next level.
For Episode 100 I hade my original Podcasting partner back. Niko Tavernise and I had a podcast 12ish years ago called “The Downward Spiral” where we’d catch up on what we’re doing- Niko is a Set photographer in the film industry and has a unique perspective on Hollywood. Then we’d spiral; I roam the Internet looking for weird stories of depravity and we’d dissect them. Recently the ones I find the most fun are about smugglers and what they go through to get their contraband across boarders. This week we told some personal smuggling stories and find ourselves with people getting caught in unfortunate ways.
DSP is one of my favorite things to do and I love Niko like a brother, so getting to host ‘reunion’ eps on Full Blast is really awesome. Go back in the Archives of FB to hear earlier eps of The Downward Spiral.
Thanks for all the support of the Show, I’m overwhelmed and I appreciate the hell out of you. Do me a favor, if you like the show, tell your friends, subscribe, share it on social media, leave a review where you listen and support the sponsors. Thanks again. Here’s to 100 more - GF
Follow Niko on instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/nikotavernise/
Visit CMA’s website:
https://centerformetalarts.org/
***DON’T MISS THE CAMBRIA CONFERENCE SEPTEMBER 17TH!
Tap here for details: https://centerformetalarts.org/cambria-iron-conference-2/
There are still spots available for my next Forged Friction Folder workshop at CMA
Sept 3 & 4th:
https://centerformetalarts.org/product/friction-folder/
Please subscribe, leave a review and tell your friends about the show. it helps me out a lot!
Welcome TotalBoat
Adhesives, paints, primers and polishing compounds.
Go to https://www.totalboat.com/
And put in “Fullblast10” for 10% off
Go get yourself some all natural , food safe Axe Wax
Go to https://axewax.us/
And get 10% off with promocode: FULLBLAST10
Akinteractive
Get your Website designed by AK Interactive, Consultation, Graphic Design, logos, Signage design.
25+ years experience in FULL SERVICE Website design, Graphic design and marketing for knife makers and all Craftsman:
http://akinteractive.com/fullblast
10% off with promo code: FULLBLAST10
TRMaker
@TRMAKERTR on instagram
Makers of an incredible grinding jig
Sharpening jigs
Contact wheels
Knife making supplies.
Super duper fast shipping well made
Go to TR-Maker.com
Brodbeck Ironworks
Makers of an Incrediblly versatile grinder, with Many different attachments
Leather sewing equipment and even abrasives
Go to Brodbeckironworks.com put in promo code Knifetalk and get the upgrade to the Mareko platen.
Get your Blacksmith hammers from John Erianne aka
https://www.instagram.com/sunsetforgenj/
http://sunsetforgenj.com/new-products
Go look at the course curriculum at CMA:
https://centerformetalarts.org/workshops/
** Taking classes from some of the best in forging at one of the best facilities in the country is an excellent opportunity to propel yourself as a blacksmith. Not to be missed. And with housing on the campus it’s a great way to get yourself to the next level.
Description: Jesse Savage of Savage Forge returns to talk about the past. Jesse is one of my good friends and is not only a great blacksmith, but is a wealth of knowledge on the history of blacksmithing, anvils and an instructor at The Center for Metal Arts. He’s also a founding member of the 7 blue ribbon championship forging team “The Modern Forge”. We had a great time catching up about our time at CMA, how the history of forging has changed and what’s to come. The shift in technology has changed the cultural need of what the blacksmith has to offer and we talked a lot about Samuel Yellin who created forgings that dovetailed into the design ethos of the time. Can a resurgence happen again? For years Jesse and I have been asking the question “What is the role of the Modern Day Blacksmith”? Every time we talk I think we get closer and closer- See you soon - GF
Follow Jesse on instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/jessesavageblacksmith/
Listen to his Podcast- The Blacksmith’s Pub
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-blacksmiths-pub-podcast/id1210513735
Heres the link Jesse referenced:
https://www.instagram.com/eveleighworks/
Visit CMA’s website:
https://centerformetalarts.org/
***DON’T MISS THE CAMBRIA CONFERENCE SEPTEMBER 17TH!
Tap here for details: https://centerformetalarts.org/cambria-iron-conference-2/
There are still spots available for my next Forged Friction Folder workshop at CMA
Sept 3 & 4th:
https://centerformetalarts.org/product/friction-folder/
Jesse and Carrie have classes at CMA you should check them out:
https://centerformetalarts.org/product/introduction-to-forging-fire-poker/
https://centerformetalarts.org/product/blacksmithing-basics-bottle-opener/
Please subscribe, leave a review and tell your friends about the show. it helps me out a lot!
Welcome TotalBoat
Adhesives, paints, primers and polishing compounds.
Go to https://www.totalboat.com/
And put in “Fullblast10” for 10% off
Go get yourself some all natural , food safe Axe Wax
Go to https://axewax.us/
And get 10% off with promocode: FULLBLAST10
Akinteractive
Get your Website designed by AK Interactive, Consultation, Graphic Design, logos, Signage design.
25+ years experience in FULL SERVICE Website design, Graphic design and marketing for knife makers and all Craftsman:
http://akinteractive.com/fullblast
10% off with promo code: FULLBLAST10
TRMaker
@TRMAKERTR on instagram
Makers of an incredible grinding jig
Sharpening jigs
Contact wheels
Knife making supplies.
Super duper fast shipping well made
Go to TR-Maker.com
Brodbeck Ironworks
Makers of an Incrediblly versatile grinder, with Many different attachments
Leather sewing equipment and even abrasives
Go to Brodbeckironworks.com put in promo code Knifetalk and get the upgrade to the Mareko platen.
Get your Blacksmith hammers from John Erianne aka
https://www.instagram.com/sunsetforgenj/
http://sunsetforgenj.com/new-products
Go look at the course curriculum at CMA:
https://centerformetalarts.org/workshops/
** Taking classes from some of the best in forging at one of the best facilities in the country is an excellent opportunity to propel yourself as a blacksmith. Not to be missed. And with housing on the campus it’s a great way to get yourself to the next level.
Aaron Gough of Gough Customs returns to talk about the future. Aaron is a knifemaker who’s direction is very tied into technology and CNC, I wanted to compare and contrast our specific directions and it was fun. We talked about the future of making, “the singularity” and what the hell “Post Scarcity” is. Its always fun catching up with Aaron who’s a huge influence on many knifemakers with some of the most complete and informative Youtube videos on knifemaking . Thanks again Aaron its always a good time. - gf
Follow Aaron on instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/aaron.gough/
Subscribe to his YouTube channel:
https://www.youtube.com/c/Goughcustom
Listen to his Podcast- XYZ the CNC Podcast
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/xyz-the-cnc-podcast/id1541963412
Visit CMA’s website:
https://centerformetalarts.org/
***DON’T MISS THE CAMBRIA CONFERENCE SEPTEMBER 17TH!
Tap here for details: https://centerformetalarts.org/cambria-iron-conference-2/
There are still spots available for my next Forged Friction Folder workshop at CMA
Sept 3 & 4th:
https://centerformetalarts.org/product/friction-folder/
Please subscribe, leave a review and tell your friends about the show. it helps me out a lot!
Welcome TotalBoat
Adhesives, paints, primers and polishing compounds.
Go to https://www.totalboat.com/
And put in “Fullblast10” for 10% off
Go get yourself some all natural , food safe Axe Wax
Go to https://axewax.us/
And get 10% off with promocode: FULLBLAST10
Akinteractive
Get your Website designed by AK Interactive, Consultation, Graphic Design, logos, Signage design.
25+ years experience in FULL SERVICE Website design, Graphic design and marketing for knife makers and all Craftsman:
http://akinteractive.com/fullblast
10% off with promo code: FULLBLAST10
Get your Blacksmith hammers from John Erianne aka
https://www.instagram.com/sunsetforgenj/
http://sunsetforgenj.com/new-products
Go look at the course curriculum at CMA:
https://centerformetalarts.org/workshops/
** Taking classes from some of the best in forging at one of the best facilities in the country is an excellent opportunity to propel yourself as a blacksmith. Not to be missed. And with housing on the campus it’s a great way to get yourself to the next level.
It’s very rare when I get to record a podcast from anywhere but my shop; I’m usually speaking to a guest remotely from the comfort of my Jeep recording booth. I had the honor of teaching a weekend workshop at The Center for Metal Arts in Johnstown, PA and after having the pleasure of podcasting with CMA’s executive director Pat Quinn before, it seemed appropriate to bring a travel mic and get some new perspective. What a great opportunity! We recorded early in the morning, right before I started teaching the second day of forging a ‘Turnstile Friction Folder’ workshop. Spending time with Pat and seeing his careful and purposeful approach for the direction for the school was exciting and overwhelming. The campus is an incredible place that was the former Cambria Iron Co., housing enormous 3000lb Chambersburg Utility hammers. We talked about Pat’s restoration and what they plan on doing with these massive hammers. The one currently restored hammer is worked with a 5 person team; the hammer is so difficult and expensive to run that a smaller hammer with identical controls was installed to practice the choreography of team forging on smaller scale models before moving up in scale. We also talked about Johnstown and the historic flood that carried houses away into the stone bridge within sight of the school; and what happened recently when the fire department told Pat that the river was going to flood again.
I am so glad I got to see what Pat, Dan Neville and the CMA team are doing. Very exciting to see; especially how the history of Cambria Iron Co. is clearly influencing Pat’s work. I’m honored to be an instructor there and can’t wait to see what they creat next.
Support CMA and by all means go to the Cambria Iron Conference September 17 and Watch The CMA team work with Zack Noble as they create a giant forged sculpture on the massive 3000lb Chambersburg.
Links:
Follow CMA on Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/centerformetalarts/
Follow Pat Quinn on Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/handforgedinvt/
Visit CMA’s website:
https://centerformetalarts.org/
***DON’T MISS THE CAMBRIA CONFERENCE SEPTEMBER 17TH!
Tap here for details: https://centerformetalarts.org/cambria-iron-conference-2/
There are still spots available for my next Forged Friction Folder workshop at CMA
Sept 3 & 4th:
https://centerformetalarts.org/product/friction-folder/
Please subscribe, leave a review and tell your friends about the show. it helps me out a lot!
Welcome TotalBoat
Adhesives, paints, primers and polishing compounds.
Go to https://www.totalboat.com/
And put in “Fullblast10” for 10% off
Go get yourself some all natural , food safe Axe Wax
Go to https://axewax.us/
And get 10% off with promocode: FULLBLAST10
Akinteractive
Get your Website designed by AK Interactive, Consultation, Graphic Design, logos, Signage design.
25+ years experience in FULL SERVICE Website design, Graphic design and marketing for knife makers and all Craftsman:
http://akinteractive.com/fullblast
10% off with promo code: FULLBLAST10
Get your Blacksmith hammers from John Erianne aka
https://www.instagram.com/sunsetforgenj/
http://sunsetforgenj.com/new-products
Go look at the course curriculum at CMA:
https://centerformetalarts.org/workshops/
** Taking classes from some of the best in forging at one of the best facilities in the country is an excellent opportunity to propel yourself as a blacksmith. Not to be missed. And with housing on the campus it’s a great way to get yourself to the next level.
Ben Paik has a fascinating story. Growing up a popular kid in a rural town in Korea, his parents immigrated to California where Ben had to figure out how to start over in an American High School speaking little to no English. It wasn’t easy. What lead him to being a maker is a tale of redemption and reclamation of human spirit. Finding used and broken skateboards as the material of choice, Ben glues then together to form blocks and mills them down to make useable lumber for various projects; from Tables to Bike frames Ben documents his builds on his Youtube channel and is a great follow on Instagram.
We also talked about shady landlords, his folding staircase going viral, getting got on his European vacation and a lot more. Ben is such a great follow and we had a lot of fun. He’ll definitely be back. Thanks again Ben! - GF
Links:
Follow Ben on Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/wobydesign/
Go check out his Website:
https://www.woby.design/
Go to his Youtube, subscribe and leave a review
https://www.youtube.com/c/WobyDesign
Unlicensed Therapy with Ari Mannis
(Ben’s episode- great listen):
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/woby-design-ben-paik/id930843059?i=1000494775273
Please subscribe, leave a review and tell your friends about the show. it helps me out a lot!
Welcome TotalBoat
Adhesives, paints, primers and polishing compounds.
Go to https://www.totalboat.com/
And put in “Fullblast10” for 10% off
Go get yourself some all natural , food safe Axe Wax
Go to https://axewax.us/
And get 10% off with promocode: FULLBLAST10
Akinteractive
Get your Website designed by AK Interactive, Consultation, Graphic Design, logos, Signage design.
25+ years experience in FULL SERVICE Website design, Graphic design and marketing for knife makers and all Craftsman:
http://akinteractive.com/fullblast
10% off with promo code: FULLBLAST10
Get your Blacksmith hammers from John Erianne aka
https://www.instagram.com/sunsetforgenj/
http://sunsetforgenj.com/new-products
Go look at the course curriculum at CMA:
https://centerformetalarts.org/workshops/
** Taking classes from some of the best in forging at one of the best facilities in the country is an excellent opportunity to propel yourself as a blacksmith. Not to be missed. And with housing on the campus it’s a great way to get yourself to the next level.
Lin Rhea is a Master Bladesmith from Prattsville, Arkansas and one of the most innovative knife makers in the game today. After years as a Bladesmith and earning the ABS ‘Master’ designation he became very involved with the Historic Arkansas Museum as the Resident Blacksmith. The nature of the position gave him access to research about classic blacksmithing techniques, which lead him to the doorstep of Peter Ross, one of America’s leading blacksmiths. Learning colonial blacksmithing techniques from Peter was an inspiring turning point in Lin’s work; and on the long 17 hour drive home he sparked the idea for his now classic “X-Rhea” knife. This forged one-piece knife, with no need for handle scales, is a unique and innovative concept that answers complicated questions with incredibly simple decisions.
We talked about in great detail and came to some interesting conclusions. Lin is a hero of mine for many reasons and I’m honored to have spoken with him. I look forward to having him back! Definitely check out his website, read his “Smoke signals”, which are his writings and follow his new instagram page as his original was hacked. Thanks again Lin, it was my privilege. - GF
Follow Lin on Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/lin_rhea_knifemaker/
He’s also active on Facebook.
Go check out his Website:
https://rheaknives.com/
Please subscribe, leave a review and tell your friends about the show. it helps me out a lot!
Welcome TotalBoat
Adhesives, paints, primers and polishing compounds.
Go to https://www.totalboat.com/
And put in “Fullblast10” for 10% off
Go get yourself some all natural , food safe Axe Wax
Go to https://axewax.us/
And get 10% off with promocode: FULLBLAST10
Akinteractive
Get your Website designed by AK Interactive, Consultation, Graphic Design, logos, Signage design.
25+ years experience in FULL SERVICE Website design, Graphic design and marketing for knife makers and all Craftsman:
http://akinteractive.com/fullblast
10% off with promo code: FULLBLAST10
Get your Blacksmith hammers from John Erianne aka
https://www.instagram.com/sunsetforgenj/
http://sunsetforgenj.com/new-products
Go look at the course curriculum at CMA:
https://centerformetalarts.org/workshops/
THE DOWNWARD SPIRAL RIDES AGAIN!!! If you’re reading this and wondering: “What is this all about?” Stop everything and go back through the Archives of The Full Blast Podcast and listen to the previous eps labeled “Downward Spiral”. Over 12 years ago Niko Tavernise (Hollywood set photographer to the stars) and I started a podcast called the ‘Downward Spiral’ where we would catch up in the first half and then read weird stories and analyze the ridiculous.
Niko’s back and we caught up, talked a little about current affairs, Hollywood stuff and god bless Florida for a good handful of strange news going around. I love the DSP and I’m glad we can pepper them in under the FBP.
Ladies and Germs, do me a favor- leave this podcast a review where ever you listen, tell your friends, subscribe and support the sponsors. Even let them know you’re glad they sponsor the podcast. Got lots of great shows coming up and its still fun, talk soon - GF
Links:
Follow Niko on Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/nikotavernise/
Follow The Full Blast Podcast on Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/thefullblastpodcast/
Please subscribe, leave a review and tell your friends about the show. it helps me out a lot!
Welcome TotalBoat
Adhesives, paints, primers and polishing compounds.
Go to https://www.totalboat.com/
And put in “Fullblast10” for 10% off
Go get yourself some all natural , food safe Axe Wax
Go to https://axewax.us/
And get 10% off with promocode: FULLBLAST10
Akinteractive
Get your Website designed by AK Interactive, Consultation, Graphic Design, logos, Signage design.
20+ years experience in Full service design and marketing for knife makers and Craftsman:
http://akinteractive.com/fullblast
10% off with promo code: FULLBLAST10
Get your Blacksmith hammers from John Erianne aka
https://www.instagram.com/sunsetforgenj/
http://sunsetforgenj.com/new-products
Go look at the course curriculum at CMA:
https://centerformetalarts.org/workshops/
** Taking classes from some of the best in forging at one of the best facilities in the country is an excellent opportunity to propel yourself as a blacksmith. Not to be missed. And with housing on the campus it’s a great way to get yourself to the next level.
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