Functionally Speaking

By Danielle KepicsHealth & Fitness

Functionally Speaking episodes

December 08, 202519. Perimenopause, HRT, and the Double Standards in Women’s Healthcare
Have you ever been told you're in perimenopause but something about that felt off? Or maybe you’re a clinician who's had clients walk in with an “official” diagnosis, zero labs, and a whole lot of confusion.

In this episode of the Functionally Speaking podcast, we unpack the growing wave of perimenopause talk—from the genuine support women deserve to the frustrating ways it’s being misdiagnosed, overused, and under-supported. We talk about the physiology of this transition, the red flags we look for when evaluating clients, the foundational work that needs to happen before hormone replacement therapy (HRT) is even on the table, and why so many women are more depleted than they even realize.

Whether you’re a practitioner, someone navigating your 30s or 40s, or just tired of being dismissed, this conversation will help you understand what’s really going on beneath the surface—and what to do about it.

In this episode, we cover:
01:48 When perimenopause is real—and when it’s not
06:00 How late motherhood impacts hormone shifts
10:00 Red flags: when HRT is prescribed without context
13:00 Why so many women are told to “suck it up”
16:00 Our go-to foundations before HRT
23:00 Caffeine, alcohol, depletion, and the stories we’re told
26:00 What to ask yourself (or your client) before reaching for a patch or pill

Connect with Unconventional Collaborative:
Join Us: https://unconventional-collaborative.mn.co/
Website: unconventionalcollaborative.com
Instagram: instagram.com/unconventional.collaborative

Connect with Laura Ligos:
Website: https://thesassydietitian.com
Instagram: instagram.com/thesassydietitian

Connect with Danielle Kepics:
Website: https://www.empoweredmindbody.co
Instagram: instagram.com/danielle.kepics

The information in this podcast is for educational purposes only and is not a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Always consult your physician or qualified provider with questions about your health and never delay seeking care because of something you heard here.

Nothing shared by Unconventional Collaborative is intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent disease, and supplement statements have not been evaluated by the FDA. This podcast does not create a doctor–patient, provider–client, or supervisory relationship.

All practitioners are responsible for interpreting and applying information within the legal and ethical scope of their own training and credentials. If unsure what falls within your scope of practice, consult your licensing or certifying body.

Unconventional Collaborative and its contributors assume no responsibility for outcomes resulting from use or misuse of this information.
29 min
November 24, 202518. What NOT to Do in Your Wellness Business (Learn From Our Mistakes)
Are you building your wellness business on shaky ground without even realizing it?

In this episode of the Functionally Speaking podcast, we’re pulling back the curtain on all the things we’ve done wrong in business so you don’t have to. We’re talking about red-flag clients, pricing mistakes, boundary breakdowns, tech headaches, and how easy it is to end up resentful when you make exceptions "just this once."

If you’ve been feeling overwhelmed, isolated, or stuck in business decisions that just don’t feel right, then this episode is for you.

In this episode, we cover:
01:48 What NOT to do in your business (even if you see everyone else doing it)
11:35 Why clear boundaries with clients protect you and them
16:03 Pricing from a place of alignment—not fear or ego
18:32 Understanding the market and what value you actually provide
18:52 Balancing client load with the energy you actually have
19:56 Rethinking how you price, structure, and add value to your offers
23:01 The importance of collaboration and not doing this alone
24:23 Why entrepreneurship can feel like doing everything and nothing at the same time
28:19 The danger of making “exceptions” that lead to resentment
31:27 Originality vs. inspiration—and how to know the difference
34:27 A sneak peek at exciting events coming to the Collaborative

Connect with Unconventional Collaborative:
Join Us: https://unconventional-collaborative.mn.co/
Website: unconventionalcollaborative.com
Instagram: instagram.com/unconventional.collaborative

Connect with Laura Ligos:
Website: https://thesassydietitian.com
Instagram: instagram.com/thesassydietitian

Connect with Danielle Kepics:
Website: https://www.empoweredmindbody.co
Instagram: instagram.com/danielle.kepics

The information provided in this podcast is for educational and informational purposes only and is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition or treatment. Never disregard professional medical advice or delay in seeking it because of something you heard on this podcast.

This podcast does not create a doctor-patient, provider-client, or supervisory relationship between you and any of the hosts or contributors.

Additionally, health coaches, fitness professionals, clinicians, and other practitioners are solely responsible for how they interpret and apply the information shared. Practitioners are expected to use their professional judgment and remain within the legal and ethical scope of their individual certification, licensure, or credentialing body. If there is any uncertainty about what falls within your professional scope of practice, it is your responsibility to consult with your licensing board, certifying organization, or regulatory authority.

Unconventional Collaborative and its contributors assume no responsibility or liability for any outcomes resulting from the use or misuse of the information provided in this podcast.
38 min
November 17, 202517. Coaching the Burned-Out Client: Exercise, Stress, and Capacity Conversations
Have your clients (or even you) ever used exercise as therapy only to end up more depleted than energized?

In this episode of the Functionally Speaking podcast, we’re breaking down how to help clients (and ourselves) find the right dose of exercise for their current season of life. From “go hard or go home” narratives to sneaky stressors like high-demand jobs, toddler wake-ups, or perfectionist tendencies, we share how to reframe movement through a truly functional lens. We also cover what the research says about minimum effective dose, signs that exercise might be doing more harm than good, and why giving clients “permission to do less” can actually unlock better outcomes.

Whether you’re a clinician navigating this conversation with patients, or a woman juggling her own fitness goals, this episode will give you practical frameworks and empathetic language to support more sustainable exercise routines.

In this episode, we cover:
01:56 Why “exercise is therapy” can be a red flag
02:56 Looking at client history—not just their current workouts
05:05 Season of life: capacity, stress, and what’s on their plate
07:28 The sneaky stressors many clinicians overlook
10:14 Red flags in labs and symptoms that signal overtraining
19:54 How to approach cardio and lifting for real-life results
22:52 What counts as “exercise” to your client?
24:08 Why good programming (and good referrals) matter
28:36 Real client stories and resistance to change
34:56 Why doing less now can help you do more later
36:19 Final tips and reminders for clinicians

Connect with Unconventional Collaborative:
Join Us: https://unconventional-collaborative.mn.co/
Website: unconventionalcollaborative.com
Instagram: instagram.com/unconventional.collaborative

Connect with Laura Ligos:
Website: https://thesassydietitian.com
Instagram: instagram.com/thesassydietitian

Connect with Danielle Kepics:
Website: https://www.empoweredmindbody.co
Instagram: instagram.com/danielle.kepics

The information provided in this podcast is for educational and informational purposes only and is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition or treatment. Never disregard professional medical advice or delay in seeking it because of something you heard on this podcast.

This podcast does not create a doctor-patient, provider-client, or supervisory relationship between you and any of the hosts or contributors.

Additionally, health coaches, fitness professionals, clinicians, and other practitioners are solely responsible for how they interpret and apply the information shared. Practitioners are expected to use their professional judgment and remain within the legal and ethical scope of their individual certification, licensure, or credentialing body. If there is any uncertainty about what falls within your professional scope of practice, it is your responsibility to consult with your licensing board, certifying organization, or regulatory authority.

Unconventional Collaborative and its contributors assume no responsibility or liability for any outcomes resulting from the use or misuse of the information provided in this podcast.
38 min
November 10, 202516. How Undereating Wrecks Hormones, Metabolism, Sleep, and Sanity
Are your clients hitting the gym, eating “clean,” and still feeling exhausted, anxious, and bloated? We see it all the time—women who are praised for their discipline but are actually deeply undernourished. And sometimes? Clinicians miss the signs too.

In this episode of the Functionally Speaking podcast, we’re talking about one of the most common but overlooked issues in functional and conventional healthcare: undereating. Whether it's hiding behind food sensitivities, excessive exercise, or outdated calorie goals, under-fueling shows up in all sorts of sneaky ways.

This one’s for clinicians who want to support their clients more holistically—and for high-achieving humans who are doing “everything right” and still not feeling like themselves.

In this episode, we cover:
01:36 The impact of undereating on hormones and metabolism
02:19 How diet culture teaches women to fear hunger
05:22 When discipline disguises disordered eating
09:51 Sneaky symptoms and lab clues your client is under-fueled
16:03 Why macros aren’t enough—micronutrients matter, too
17:37 What mineral depletion says about your metabolism
18:00 The relationship between stress, food, and capacity
18:51 Helping clients shift from weight loss to true health
21:22 What to watch for in thyroid and sex hormone labs
23:38 Coaching with compassion: the “capacity” conversation
27:40 Sneaky signs of under-fueling even seasoned pros miss
30:53 Why performance ≠ health—and how to help clients see that

Links and resources:
The Anatomy of Anxiety by Ellen Vora: http://goodreads.com/book/show/58385699-the-anatomy-of-anxiety

Connect with Unconventional Collaborative:
Join Us: https://unconventional-collaborative.mn.co/
Website: unconventionalcollaborative.com
Instagram: instagram.com/unconventional.collaborative

Connect with Laura Ligos:
Website: https://thesassydietitian.com
Instagram: instagram.com/thesassydietitian

Connect with Danielle Kepics:
Website: https://www.empoweredmindbody.co
Instagram: instagram.com/danielle.kepics

The information provided in this podcast is for educational and informational purposes only and is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition or treatment. Never disregard professional medical advice or delay in seeking it because of something you heard on this podcast.

This podcast does not create a doctor-patient, provider-client, or supervisory relationship between you and any of the hosts or contributors.

Additionally, health coaches, fitness professionals, clinicians, and other practitioners are solely responsible for how they interpret and apply the information shared.

Unconventional Collaborative and its contributors assume no responsibility or liability for any outcomes resulting from the use or misuse of the information provided in this podcast.
35 min
November 03, 202515. What Makes a Great Clinician? Red Flags, Green Flags, and Questions to Ask
Ever left a doctor’s office feeling dismissed, confused, or worse—unseen?

In this episode of the Functionally Speaking podcast, we’re pulling back the curtain on the red flags we see in both conventional and functional medicine. From providers who brush off symptoms to those who rely too heavily on expensive testing and supplement stacks, we talk through the patterns we’ve seen—and the ones we want to change.

We also share the green flags we look for in collaborative providers, the difference between discernment and dogma in clinical care, and how to advocate for yourself (or your clients) in today’s confusing wellness landscape. If you've ever wondered what questions to ask when choosing a provider, this episode is a must.

In this episode, we cover:
01:37 Common red flags we’ve seen in healthcare providers
04:54 Preventative wellness: what your provider should be doing
06:58 What to do when you're told “your labs look fine” but you feel awful
08:17 When testing becomes a crutch instead of a tool
16:59 Weight bias in medicine and the need for trauma-informed support
17:49 Knowing scope of practice and when a provider should refer out
19:35 Why not every MD is qualified to give nutrition advice
21:18 Elimination diets, testing fatigue, and what real support looks like
24:15 The beauty of collaboration in healthcare
25:54 Green flags we love to see in practitioners
34:04 The best questions to ask when choosing a provider

Links and resources:
Women’s sexual health, menopause, and hormone replacement therapy (HRT) by Peter Attia and Rachel Rubin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0XW6av2wLQ
GLP-1s Explained: Risks, Benefits, and Real-World Applications: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2506559/episodes/17622871

Connect with Unconventional Collaborative:
Join Us: https://unconventional-collaborative.mn.co/
Website: unconventionalcollaborative.com
Instagram: instagram.com/unconventional.collaborative

Connect with Laura Ligos:
Website: https://thesassydietitian.com
Instagram: instagram.com/thesassydietitian

Connect with Danielle Kepics:
Website: https://www.empoweredmindbody.co
Instagram: instagram.com/danielle.kepics

The information provided in this podcast is for educational and informational purposes only and is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition or treatment. Never disregard professional medical advice or delay in seeking it because of something you heard on this podcast.

Additionally, health coaches, fitness professionals, clinicians, and other practitioners are solely responsible for how they interpret and apply the information shared. Practitioners are expected to use their professional judgment and remain within the legal and ethical scope of their individual certification, licensure, or credentialing body. If there is any uncertainty about what falls within your professional scope of practice, it is your responsibility to consult with your licensing board, certifying organization, or regulatory authority.
39 min
October 27, 202514. Do You Really Need a Weighted Vest?
Is wearing a weighted vest actually helping or is it just another wellness trend preying on women in perimenopause?

In this episode of the Functionally Speaking podcast, we’re unpacking the very hot topic of weighted vests and why they’re suddenly everywhere. We break down where this trend came from, what the research doesn’t say, and why social media is once again skipping over the nuance in favor of buzzwords and biohacks.

In this episode, we cover:
02:13 The problem with the weighted vest trend on social media
03:37 Common misconceptions and where proper use actually matters
07:40 When it does make sense for certain clients and how to know
08:00 The link between burnout, high-achieving women, and exercise culture
09:00 Why adding weight to your walk could be hurting
11:00 Bone health basics (and why the false sense of security is dangerous)
12:30 What actually works for building bone density
14:00 Why weightlifting is almost always the better choice
15:35 One use case that might make sense + a teaser for next week's episode

Links and resources:
Send us an email: [email protected]

Connect with Unconventional Collaborative:
Join Us: https://unconventional-collaborative.mn.co/
Website: unconventionalcollaborative.com
Instagram: instagram.com/unconventional.collaborative

Connect with Laura Ligos:
Website: https://thesassydietitian.com
Instagram: instagram.com/thesassydietitian

Connect with Danielle Kepics:
Website: https://www.empoweredmindbody.co
Instagram: instagram.com/danielle.kepics

The information provided in this podcast is for educational and informational purposes only and is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition or treatment. Never disregard professional medical advice or delay in seeking it because of something you heard on this podcast.

The content shared by Unconventional Collaborative is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. Statements regarding dietary supplements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration.

This podcast does not create a doctor-patient, provider-client, or supervisory relationship between you and any of the hosts or contributors.

Additionally, health coaches, fitness professionals, clinicians, and other practitioners are solely responsible for how they interpret and apply the information shared. Practitioners are expected to use their professional judgment and remain within the legal and ethical scope of their individual certification, licensure, or credentialing body. If there is any uncertainty about what falls within your professional scope of practice, it is your responsibility to consult with your licensing board, certifying organization, or regulatory authority.

Unconventional Collaborative and its contributors assume no responsibility or liability for any outcomes resulting from the use or misuse of the information provided in this podcast.
16 min
October 20, 202513. Postpartum Fitness: Why the Bounce-Back Culture Misses the Point
Are postpartum workouts empowering or just another pressure on moms to “bounce back”?

In this episode of the Functionally Speaking podcast, we’re diving deep into postpartum fitness culture—and calling out the unrealistic, unhelpful, and often harmful messaging that’s flooding social media. From snapback culture to sleep deprivation, mineral depletion, and the mental load of motherhood, we explore why pushing women into high-intensity training just weeks after giving birth is not just misguided—it’s dangerous.

Whether you’re a practitioner, a mom, or both, this conversation offers validation, education, and a whole lot of real talk.

In this episode, we cover:
02:43 The harsh reality of postpartum recovery (even with “healthy” pregnancies)
05:29 How clinicians can better support postpartum women
09:51 Why sleep and recovery must be non-negotiables
14:24 Depletion during pregnancy: what most women don’t know
17:58 Exercise and body image struggles postpartum
19:16 Therapy, identity, and realistic expectations
23:25 The role of support systems in healing
27:47 What real postpartum fitness can look like
30:18 Practical, compassionate advice for postpartum movement

Links and resources:
Brianna Battles: https://www.instagram.com/brianna.battles/
MamasteFit: https://www.instagram.com/mamastefit/
Expecting and Empowered: https://www.instagram.com/expectingandempowered/
Nourish Move Love: https://www.instagram.com/nourishmovelove/

Connect with Unconventional Collaborative:
Join Us: https://unconventional-collaborative.mn.co/
Website: unconventionalcollaborative.com
Instagram: instagram.com/unconventional.collaborative

Connect with Laura Ligos:
Website: https://thesassydietitian.com
Instagram: instagram.com/thesassydietitian

Connect with Danielle Kepics:
Website: https://www.empoweredmindbody.co
Instagram: instagram.com/danielle.kepics

The information provided in this podcast is for educational and informational purposes only and is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition or treatment. Never disregard professional medical advice or delay in seeking it because of something you heard on this podcast.

This podcast does not create a doctor-patient, provider-client, or supervisory relationship between you and any of the hosts or contributors.

Unconventional Collaborative and its contributors assume no responsibility or liability for any outcomes resulting from the use or misuse of the information provided in this podcast.
37 min
October 13, 202512. Should Women Cold Plunge? A Real Talk on Biohacking and Burnout
Is cold plunging really helping your health or just pushing your already stressed system over the edge?

In this episode of the Functionally Speaking podcast, we unpack the cold, hard truth about cold plunges. From hormonal differences to nervous system baselines, we dive into why women respond differently to extreme stressors and what that means for popular wellness trends like cold therapy. Plus, we share what we’re seeing in clinical practice, including how to coach clients who are skipping the basics in favor of biohacks.

If you’ve been wondering whether a cold plunge is helping your hormones—or just adding to your burnout—this episode is for you.

In this episode, we cover:
01:45 Why cold plunges aren’t one-size-fits-all, especially for women
03:50 How hormones impact our stress response (and recovery)
07:22 Our personal experiences with cold exposure and blood sugar spikes
13:44 When cold plunges help and when they don’t

Links and resources:
Listen to Episode 5: Is Cycle Syncing Supportive or Just Another Form of Control?: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/05-is-cycle-syncing-supportive-or-just-another-form/id1831430877?i=1000723424122

Connect with Unconventional Collaborative:
Join Us: https://unconventional-collaborative.mn.co/
Website: unconventionalcollaborative.com
Instagram: instagram.com/unconventional.collaborative

Connect with Laura Ligos:
Website: https://thesassydietitian.com
Instagram: instagram.com/thesassydietitian

Connect with Danielle Kepics:
Website: https://www.empoweredmindbody.co
Instagram: instagram.com/danielle.kepics

The information provided in this podcast is for educational and informational purposes only and is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition or treatment. Never disregard professional medical advice or delay in seeking it because of something you heard on this podcast.

The content shared by Unconventional Collaborative is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. Statements regarding dietary supplements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration.

This podcast does not create a doctor-patient, provider-client, or supervisory relationship between you and any of the hosts or contributors.

Additionally, health coaches, fitness professionals, clinicians, and other practitioners are solely responsible for how they interpret and apply the information shared. Practitioners are expected to use their professional judgment and remain within the legal and ethical scope of their individual certification, licensure, or credentialing body. If there is any uncertainty about what falls within your professional scope of practice, it is your responsibility to consult with your licensing board, certifying organization, or regulatory authority.

Unconventional Collaborative and its contributors assume no responsibility or liability for any outcomes resulting from the use or misuse of the information provided in this podcast.
17 min
October 06, 202511. Should You Put Your Prices on Your Website?
Is it more transparent—or more strategic—to share your prices publicly?

In this episode of the Functionally Speaking podcast, we’re having an honest, nuanced conversation about pricing in private practice. Do you list your rates on your site? Do you keep them off until a discovery call? We’ve tried it both ways, and in this episode, we unpack the mindset, messaging, and business realities behind each approach.

In this episode, we cover:
02:22 The cost of doing business: what your pricing actually needs to cover
06:48 How to sell the transformation—not just the cost
09:01 Our honest opinions (and lessons learned) about listing prices online
21:49 Final thoughts: pricing confidence, client respect, and what we’d do differently

Connect with Unconventional Collaborative:
Join Us: https://unconventional-collaborative.mn.co/
Website: unconventionalcollaborative.com
Instagram: instagram.com/unconventional.collaborative

Connect with Laura Ligos:
Website: https://thesassydietitian.com
Instagram: instagram.com/thesassydietitian

Connect with Danielle Kepics:
Website: https://www.empoweredmindbody.co
Instagram: instagram.com/danielle.kepics

The information provided in this podcast is for educational and informational purposes only and is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition or treatment. Never disregard professional medical advice or delay in seeking it because of something you heard on this podcast.

The content shared by Unconventional Collaborative is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. Statements regarding dietary supplements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration.

This podcast does not create a doctor-patient, provider-client, or supervisory relationship between you and any of the hosts or contributors.

Additionally, health coaches, fitness professionals, clinicians, and other practitioners are solely responsible for how they interpret and apply the information shared. Practitioners are expected to use their professional judgment and remain within the legal and ethical scope of their individual certification, licensure, or credentialing body. If there is any uncertainty about what falls within your professional scope of practice, it is your responsibility to consult with your licensing board, certifying organization, or regulatory authority.

Unconventional Collaborative and its contributors assume no responsibility or liability for any outcomes resulting from the use or misuse of the information provided in this podcast.
23 min
September 29, 202510. The Problem With At-Home Fertility Trackers (And Who It’s Actually Helping)
Are fertility monitors giving women real answers or just more reasons to stress?
In this episode of the Functionally Speaking podcast, we’re breaking down the rise of at-home hormone trackers like Mira and Inito, and sharing how we really feel about them. We talk about the promise of data, the pressure to “get it right,” and the fine line between feeling empowered and feeling overwhelmed. We also dig into what these tools can help with, what they can’t, and how we coach clients through fertility without turning it into a numbers game.
If you’ve been wondering whether fertility monitors are helpful, harmful, or somewhere in between, this episode is for you.

In this episode, we cover:
02:05 What fertility monitors actually track
04:42 Why these tools have become so popular and who they’re built for
06:56 What we love about at-home fertility trackers
14:35 What we hate about at-home fertility trackers
18:06 When to use these tools and when to step back

Links and resources:
Listen to Episode 06. Why IVF Shouldn’t Be the First Step: Root Cause Fertility Strategies for Practitioners: https://podcasts.apple.com/ph/podcast/06-why-ivf-shouldnt-be-the-first-step-root-cause/id1831430877?i=1000724420037

Connect with Unconventional Collaborative:
Join Us: https://unconventional-collaborative.mn.co/
Website: unconventionalcollaborative.com
Instagram: instagram.com/unconventional.collaborative

Connect with Laura Ligos:
Website: https://thesassydietitian.com
Instagram: instagram.com/thesassydietitian

Connect with Danielle Kepics:
Website: https://www.empoweredmindbody.co
Instagram: instagram.com/danielle.kepics

The information provided in this podcast is for educational and informational purposes only and is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition or treatment. Never disregard professional medical advice or delay in seeking it because of something you heard on this podcast.
The content shared by Unconventional Collaborative is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. Statements regarding dietary supplements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration.
This podcast does not create a doctor-patient, provider-client, or supervisory relationship between you and any of the hosts or contributors.

Additionally, health coaches, fitness professionals, clinicians, and other practitioners are solely responsible for how they interpret and apply the information shared. Practitioners are expected to use their professional judgment and remain within the legal and ethical scope of their individual certification, licensure, or credentialing body. If there is any uncertainty about what falls within your professional scope of practice, it is your responsibility to consult with your licensing board, certifying organization, or regulatory authority.
Unconventional Collaborative and its contributors assume no responsibility or liability for any outcomes resulting from the use or misuse of the information provided in this podcast.
30 min