We are kicking off the new year with one of Kathryn's all-time favorite speakers. This conversation begins with a definition of fascia, what it is, how it can be described, and how much things are changing as our knowledge of the body grows. Gil talks about how he came to learn about the body from a very disembodied place himself and how dissection made him realize that what we see in the books is not what we have under our skin. He also talks about body diversity and human variation, not just on a joint level but every aspect of the body. They talk about bodywork and foam rolling, and Gil remarks that the body is like a baby, we can't beat up on it. He also comments on the western approach to yoga and how a practice that is void of interoception can cause people to force their bodies into shapes that might not be meant for them.  If you are loving this podcast please consider leaving a review in iTunes or in your podcasts app.  For information about retreats, workshops or online courses you can email Kathryn at [email protected]