Talking to people who disagree with me politically has gotten hard.

Like, really hard.

Sometimes I feel like the world is going crazy and I don't know how to have a normal conversation anymore.

So I brought in one of the smartest people I know, Dr. Rubel Shelly, to help me figure it out.

He has his Master's and PhD from Vanderbilt. He's been a preacher for decades. And his view on how Christians should engage with politics is refreshing, clarifying, and honestly? A little challenging.

In this episode, we get into it.

Can Christians even be civil anymore? Should Christian principles become law? What's the difference between voting your values and Christian nationalism? Why did Constantine almost ruin Christianity? And what does it actually look like to love someone who votes the opposite of you?

Rubel walks us through Tim Keller's framework, two "red" priorities, two "blue" priorities, and the fifth one we keep forgetting: blessed are the peacemakers.

We talk about the early church dying for their faith. A young woman in Jerusalem choosing baptism knowing her family would kill her. Christians in India being told the law of Christ is higher than the law of the land. And the uncomfortable question I couldn't stop thinking about:

Are we just trying to make Christianity easy?

Because Jesus never made it easy. He told people to walk away from families, homes, and comfort to follow Him. It was never both/and. It was Jesus or nothing.

My biggest takeaway from this whole conversation:

My Christian beliefs matter more than the law of any land I could ever live in. It doesn't matter who's in Congress or in the Oval Office. Jesus is on the throne.

That has to be the guiding principle.

This one's long.
This one's good.
And this one might stretch you a little.

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