We follow Herman Daly into one of the last places you’d expect to find a rebel economist: the World Bank. We will hear how the academic work of Herman’s sister, Denis Daly Heyck, impacted on his worldview. We’ll also see how this fused with Herman’s own experiences teaching in Brazil, and the building of pan-American ecological and human rights movements to fuel him to advocate for policy and philosophical changes at the Bank - culminating in his famous farewell speech. 

Featured in this episode:

Karen Daly Junker & Terri Daly Stewart, Herman and Marcia’s daughters

Jon Sward, Environment Project Manager at the Bretton Woods Project

Denis Daly Heyck (Deni), Professor Emeritus of Spanish language & literature

David Batker, Ecological economist

John Redwood, Former World Bank employee

Robert Costanza, Ecological economist

Clóvis Cavalcanti, Ecological economist

Peter May, Ecological economist

Kate Raworth, DEAL co-founder

Joshua Farley, Ecological economist

Xiye Bastida, Climate justice activist

Thank you to the Daly family for their generous support in sharing Herman’s story. 

Thanks also to: C40's Barbara Barros for voicing Marcia Daly’s email in this episode; Denis Daly Heyck for providing the images for our episode art; and to Nate Hagens and the team behind The Great Simplification podcast for granting us permission to use a clip from their show.

Thank you also to our series consultants and fact checkers, Peter Harnik, Rob Dietz, and Peter Victor, who also graciously supplied the interview tape with Herman Daly, recorded in 2022.

Media citations by order of appearance:

(That'll Work) (Live), Chuck Brown

The Heritage Foundation - “Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!”

The Great Simplification: “Toward an Ecological Economics”

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