PART TWO: This interview with Suzanne was originally recorded in 2022. A friend of Chad Daybell for 15 years, Suzanna and Chad had a falling out once he started publishing books by Julie Rowe. Suzanne emailed him and told him that his new beliefs would "Lead to death and destruction".

Find out what else Suzanne knows and discovers during this heart-to-heart talk with investigative journalist and Hidden True Crime host Lauren Matthias.

LAUREN MATTHIAS spent a decade working as an anchor and reporter. She has reported for News Nation and now produces the Hidden True Crime Podcast along with her husband Dr. John Matthias, a forensic psychologist.

HIDDEN: A TRUE CRIME PODCAST is: CRIMINAL PSYCHOLOGY REINVENTED. Join us on a journey into the darkest recesses of the human mind and the unconscious motivations that drive human behaviors in order to understand the world and ourselves.

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Many consider Tim Ballard a hero; a man fighting human trafficking and the subject of the movie “Sound of Freedom”. Several woman have come forward accusing Tim Ballard of assault.

Hidden True Crime delves into the controversial figure and topic in a way no one else does. This podcast was originally recorded March 2, 2024

DR. JOHN MATTHIAS is a licensed clinical and forensic psychologist with 30 years’ experience in both clinical and forensic work. He serves as an expert witness for the federal government and has consulted on numerous high-profile cases for District Attorney’s offices and defense attorneys in several states.

Dr. Matthias graduated with honors in philosophy from Princeton University, and he won the prestigious McCosh Thesis prize while there. In high school he graduated valedictorian from a large public high school in Chicago where he was chosen to participate in a ground-breaking valedictory study that continues to this day.

LAUREN MATTHIAS spent a decade working as an anchor and reporter. She has reported for News Nation and now produces the Hidden True Crime Podcast along with her husband Dr. John Matthias, a forensic psychologist.

HIDDEN: A TRUE CRIME PODCAST is: CRIMINAL PSYCHOLOGY REINVENTED. Join us on a journey into the darkest recesses of the human mind and the unconscious motivations that drive human behaviors in order to understand the world and ourselves.

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PART ONE: This interview with Suzanne was originally recorded in 2022. A friend of Chad Daybell for 15 years, Suzanna and Chad had a falling out once he started publishing books by Julie Rowe. Suzanne emailed him and told him that his new beliefs would "Lead to death and destruction".

Find out what else Suzanne knows and discovers during this heart-to-heart talk with investigative journalist and Hidden True Crime host Lauren Matthias.

LAUREN MATTHIAS spent a decade working as an anchor and reporter. She has reported for News Nation and now produces the Hidden True Crime Podcast along with her husband Dr. John Matthias, a forensic psychologist.

HIDDEN: A TRUE CRIME PODCAST is: CRIMINAL PSYCHOLOGY REINVENTED. Join us on a journey into the darkest recesses of the human mind and the unconscious motivations that drive human behaviors in order to understand the world and ourselves.

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Dr John Matthias, forensic psychologist, breaks down videos, interviews and body cam footage in a massive document dump this week in a case we've been following from the beginning.

THE CASE: August 30, 2023--a brave 12-year-old boy named "R" escapes a house of torture in Southern Utah, rescuing himself and his 10-year-old sister "E". The children's mother YouTube Celebrity Ruby Franke, and Ruby's therapist Jodi Hildebrandt, are arrested and charged with 6 counts of aggravated child abuse.

JOHN MATTHIAS is a licensed clinical and forensic psychologist with 30 years’ experience. He serves as an expert witness for the federal government and consults on high-profile cases for District Attorney’s offices and defense attorneys in several states. In the forensic area, Dr. Matthias has developed expertise in personality assessments, hidden behavioral motivations, complex trauma and criminal psychology. In the clinical realm, he has worked with numerous victims. He received his Master’s degree in Marriage, Family and Child counseling, as well his doctorate degree, from the University of Southern California.

Dr. Matthias graduated with honors in philosophy from Princeton University, and he won the prestigious McCosh Thesis prize while there. In high school he graduated valedictorian from a large public high school in Chicago where he was chosen to participate in a ground-breaking valedictory study that continues to this day.

LAUREN MATTHIAS worked as an anchor and reporter for a decade in Utah and Idaho. Most recently, she reported for Salt Lake City’s ABC affiliate News4Utah. In 2015 she received the Idaho State Broadcaster’s Association Best Reporter award and is a regular contributor on News Nation. She left the reporting world to produce the Hidden True Crime Podcast along with her husband Dr. John Matthias.

HIDDEN: A TRUE CRIME PODCAST is: CRIMINAL PSYCHOLOGY REINVENTED. Join us on a journey into the darkest recesses of the human mind and the unconscious motivations that drive human behaviors in order to understand the world and ourselves.

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Arley Naomi Proctor-Hernandez was taken to a church on September 24, 2021. Her grandfather was pastor at the small California church, and family members met to assist in an exorcism.

Her mom believed she was possessed. The probable cause is difficult to read, and the determined cause of death is asphyxiation. 

The week before Arley's mother, Claudia Hernandez-Santos, was arrested, Claudia started a YouTube channel and spoke to her viewers. It's chilling to listen. 

The trio of family members stand before a judge this week in San Jose California, and according to reporters in the court room, Claudia swiveled in a chair and occasionally yawned while listening to Police testimony. 

This episode was recorded just after the arrests were made in January 2022, and was only available on Patreon until today.  

It was recorded after the pandemic had ended, but remnants still lingered. Domestic violence had increased, and fear gripped many. This episode tackles many of those issues in 2020/2021.

We believe this episode is important to revisit and have decided to make it public. We have 60 bonus episodes just like this one on our Patreon account at Patreon.com/hiddentrueCrime. Thank you to those who support us there with your monthly membership

"Denial is always a strategy of self protection. Denial is about making ourselves feel better in some ways because we don't understand something or something is too painful to address or to cope with. " -Dr John Matthias

DR. JOHN MATTHIAS is a licensed clinical and forensic psychologist with 30 years’ experience in both clinical and forensic work. He serves as an expert witness for the federal government and has consulted on numerous high-profile cases for District Attorney’s offices and defense attorneys in several states.

Dr. Matthias graduated with honors in philosophy from Princeton University, and he won the prestigious McCosh Thesis prize while there. In high school he graduated valedictorian from a large public high school in Chicago where he was chosen to participate in a ground-breaking valedictory study that continues to this day.

LAUREN MATTHIAS has worked as an anchor and reporter for ABC, NBC, and FOX News in East Idaho, Boise, Idaho and Salt Lake City, Utah. She spent a decade reporting on a diverse range of topics from high profile crimes to Presidential visits. Most recently, she reported for Salt Lake City’s ABC affiliate News4Utah. In 2015 she received the Idaho State Broadcaster’s Association Best Reporter award. She has reported for News Nation and now produces the Hidden True Crime Podcast along with her husband Dr. John Matthias, a forensic psychologist.

HIDDEN: A TRUE CRIME PODCAST is: CRIMINAL PSYCHOLOGY REINVENTED. Join us on a journey into the darkest recesses of the human mind and the unconscious motivations that drive human behaviors in order to understand the world and ourselves.

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Larry Woodcock and Hidden True Crime talk about participating in the latest Crime Nation episode released in March 2024--Fatal Devotion. Those in the U.S. can stream the episode for free on The CW app

For those new to this twisted case about Doomsday beliefs leading to a murderous spree across states, and to better understand future episodes-we recommend our full Beyond the Veil season, but if there is one episode to listen to that will get you caught up on Chad Daybell and Lori Vallow, it’s our May 2nd, 2023 episode titled: "Beyond the Veil: The prequel -Chad daybell and Lori Vallow - the background story you’ve never heard."

HIDDEN: A TRUE CRIME PODCAST is: CRIMINAL PSYCHOLOGY REINVENTED. Join the married hosts -a forensic psychologist and broadcast journalist - on a journey into the darkest recesses of the human mind and the unconscious motivations that drive human behaviors in order to understand the world and ourselves.

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Returning home to California from Mexico - Matthew Coleman is taken into custody and confesses to killing his two young children with a spearfishing gun. According to the probable cause, Coleman had been following conspiracy theories online and believed his wife had passed her serpent DNA onto their children, which would mean his son and daugther would grow up to become monsters, and Coleman had to kill them in order to save the world.

This episode was originally recorded in the summer of 2022 - a year after Matthew Coleman confessed to killing his children. Currently, Matthew is being held in an undisclosed federal location for treatment after being deemed incompetent to stand trial in October 2023. 

Matthew had a competency hearing scheduled for March 8th, 2024 but it never happened and we still wait. Hidden True Crime is following closely.

JOHN MATTHIAS is a licensed clinical and forensic psychologist with 30 years’ experience. He serves as an expert witness for the federal government and consults on high-profile cases for District Attorney’s offices and defense attorneys in several states. In the forensic area, Dr. Matthias has developed expertise in personality assessments, hidden behavioral motivations, complex trauma and criminal psychology. In the clinical realm, he has worked with numerous victims. He received his Master’s degree in Marriage, Family and Child counseling, as well his doctorate degree, from the University of Southern California. Dr. Matthias graduated with honors in philosophy from Princeton University, and he won the prestigious McCosh Thesis prize while there. In high school he graduated valedictorian from a large public high school in Chicago where he was chosen to participate in a ground-breaking valedictory study that continues to this day.

LAUREN MATTHIAS worked as an anchor in Idaho and Salt Lake City, Utah. She spent a decade reporting on a diverse range of topics from high profile crimes to Presidential visits. Most recently, she reported for Salt Lake City’s ABC affiliate News4Utah. In 2015 she received the Idaho State Broadcaster’s Association Best Reporter award and is a regular contributor on News Nation. She left the reporting world to produce the Hidden True Crime Podcast along with her husband Dr. John Matthias.

HIDDEN: A TRUE CRIME PODCAST is: CRIMINAL PSYCHOLOGY REINVENTED. Join us on a journey into the darkest recesses of the human mind and the unconscious motivations that drive human behaviors in order to understand the world and ourselves.

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For today's episode we are traveling back to August of 2021. Its an episode we've never shared publicly, until now.

One week before we recorded this conversation at our kitchen table - on August 8th, 2021 - Matthew Coleman, a 40-year-old Santa Barbara California surf teacher, killed his two young children with a spear fishing gun in Mexico.

His wife Abby reported that Matthew had taken their children from their California home and left suddenly. He was taken into custody and confessed to killing 2-year-old Kaleo and 10-month old Roxy . According to the probable cause--Coleman believed Abby had passed serpent DNA to their children. . Matthew said he knew what he did was wrong, but he was saving the world.  

In the next episode we will delve deeper into this story, but here are our initial thoughts the week this tragic case unfolded.  

JOHN MATTHIAS is a licensed clinical and forensic psychologist with 30 years’ experience. He serves as an expert witness for the federal government and consults on high-profile cases for District Attorney’s offices and defense attorneys in several states. In the forensic area, Dr. Matthias has developed expertise in personality assessments, hidden behavioral motivations, complex trauma and criminal psychology. In the clinical realm, he has worked with numerous victims. He received his Master’s degree in Marriage, Family and Child counseling, as well his doctorate degree, from the University of Southern California. Dr. Matthias graduated with honors in philosophy from Princeton University, and he won the prestigious McCosh Thesis prize while there. In high school he graduated valedictorian from a large public high school in Chicago where he was chosen to participate in a ground-breaking valedictory study that continues to this day.

LAUREN MATTHIAS worked as an anchor in Idaho and Salt Lake City, Utah. She spent a decade reporting on a diverse range of topics from high profile crimes to Presidential visits. Most recently, she reported for Salt Lake City’s ABC affiliate News4Utah. In 2015 she received the Idaho State Broadcaster’s Association Best Reporter award and is a regular contributor on News Nation. She left the reporting world to produce the Hidden True Crime Podcast along with her husband Dr. John Matthias.

HIDDEN: A TRUE CRIME PODCAST is: CRIMINAL PSYCHOLOGY REINVENTED. Join us on a journey into the darkest recesses of the human mind and the unconscious motivations that drive human behaviors in order to understand the world and ourselves.

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This podcast was originally recorded on August 21, 2023, the day former British neonatal nurse Lucy Letby was sentenced in the UK to a whole life-order.

34-year-old Letby murdered seven infants at Countess of Chester Hospital, and attempted to murder six others between June 2015 and June 2016. She was charged in November 2020, and her trial lasted from October 2022 to August 2023. 

Letby's methods included injecting the infants insulin or air, overfeeding them, and physically abusing them using medical tools. In January 2024 an application to appeal her conviction was refused, but she still faces a retrial on one of the counts coming up in June 2024 on the one charge where the jury was unable to reach a verdict during the original trial.  

We will certainly be following.

JOHN MATTHIAS is a licensed clinical and forensic psychologist with 30 years’ experience in both clinical and forensic work. He serves as an expert witness for the federal government and has consulted on numerous high-profile cases for District Attorney’s offices and defense attorneys in several states. In the forensic area, Dr. Matthias has developed expertise in personality assessments, hidden behavioral motivations, complex trauma and criminal psychology. In the clinical realm, he has worked with numerous victims. He received his Master’s degree in Marriage, Family and Child counseling, as well his doctorate degree, from the University of Southern California. Dr. Matthias graduated with honors in philosophy from Princeton University, and he won the prestigious McCosh Thesis prize while there. In high school he graduated valedictorian from a large public high school in Chicago where he was chosen to participate in a ground-breaking valedictory study that continues to this day. Dr. Matthias has been an adjunct assistant professor in the University of Nevada Las Vegas clinical psychology doctoral program since 2007. He supervises UNLV doctoral students on forensic assessments, clinical case formulation, and various therapeutic approaches to clinical work.

LAUREN MATTHIAS has worked as an anchor and reporter for ABC, NBC, and FOX News in East Idaho, Boise, Idaho and Salt Lake City, Utah. She spent a decade reporting on a diverse range of topics from high profile crimes to Presidential visits. Most recently, she reported for Salt Lake City’s ABC affiliate News4Utah. In 2015 she received the Idaho State Broadcaster’s Association Best Reporter award. She left the reporting world to produce the Hidden True Crime Podcast along with her husband Dr. John Matthias, a forensic psychologist. Your support helps us produce these podcasts/videos. We have some big plans to explore the true crime terrain in a way that no one else has attempted. HIDDEN: A TRUE CRIME PODCAST is: CRIMINAL PSYCHOLOGY REINVENTED. Join us on a journey into the darkest recesses of the human mind and the unconscious motivations that drive human behaviors in order to understand the world and ourselves.

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Chad Daybell's former neighbor breaks he silence. The crimes that happened in her quiet Idaho town haunt her years later, along with the secrets she says are permeating through Madison and Fremont County.

Bernadine tells Hidden True Crime host Lauren Matthias what she saw, and why she believes Chad Daybell has more victims. She discusses the suspicious death of neighbor Eldon Clawson and the concerns many share about his unexpected death just days after 7-year-old JJ Vallow was buried in Chad's yard.

For those new to this twisted case about Doomsday beliefs leading to a murderous spree across states, and to better understand future episodes-we recommend our full Beyond the Veil season, but if you don't have that time, we have one episode summarizing everything you need to know.

If there is one episode to listen to that will get you caught up on Chad Daybell and Lori Vallow, it’s our May 2nd, 2023 episode titled: "Beyond the Veil: The prequel -Chad daybell and Lori Vallow - the background story you’ve never heard."

LAUREN MATTHIAS has worked as an anchor and reporter for ABC, NBC, and FOX News in Boise, Idaho and Salt Lake City, Utah. She spent a decade reporting on a diverse range of topics from high profile crimes to Presidential visits. Most recently, she reported for Salt Lake City’s ABC affiliate News4Utah. In 2015 she received the Idaho State Broadcaster’s Association Best Reporter award. She left the reporting world to produce the Hidden True Crime Podcast along with her husband Dr. John Matthias, a forensic psychologist.

Your support helps us produce these podcasts/videos. We have some big plans to explore the true crime terrain in a way that no one else has attempted.

HIDDEN: A TRUE CRIME PODCAST is: CRIMINAL PSYCHOLOGY REINVENTED. Join us on a journey into the darkest recesses of the human mind and the unconscious motivations that drive human behaviors in order to understand the world and ourselves.

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