Modernity is dying within and around us, and we need to face that death with courage and compassion. Vanessa de Oliveira Andreotti, author of Hospicing Modernity, joins us. Highlights include:

• How her mixed Indigenous and German heritage in Brazil exposed her to a complex mix of love and violence, deepening her understanding of how socialization and education can perpetuate harmful relationships;
• Why the 'house of modernity', which is built on a foundation of humanity's separation from the rest of nature, is structured to ultimately fail;
• Why we need to 'hospice modernity' both within and around us, without feeling overwhelmed or rushing for quick fixes, while making space for something much larger to emerge;
• Why we need to compost the 'pedestal' sense of agency from modernity and its elevated sense of certainty and subject-object relationships and embrace a more intersubjective mycelial sense of agency;
• Why 'outgrowing modernity' will require us to prepare for a 'well-died death' and a greater sense of emotional sobriety, relational maturity, intellectual discernment, and interspecies and intergenerational responsibility.

See episode website for show notes, links, and transcript:

https://www.populationbalance.org/podcast/vanessa-andreotti

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