In this conversation, Jonathan and Nicole talk about the current election cycle, Kamala Harris, JD Vance, and childless cat ladies! They explore themes of political strategy, hope and joy, disinformation, anti-intellectualism, and the co-opting of religious groups. Ultimately, the conversation explores the dangers of Christian nationalism and the need for followers of Jesus to engage responsibly in the world. They emphasize the need for a deeper grounding in the way of Jesus, which is characterized by self-sacrifice, love, and humility--encouraging Christians to resist the culture war mentality, and instead focus on loving their neighbors and advocating for the vulnerable.

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