The Direct Instruction Podcast

How Can Higher Education Better Prepare Future Educators? with Kathy Madigan


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Hello everyone and welcome back to the Direct Instruction podcast. My name is Dr. Zach Groshell, and I am excited to be bringing you an interview with Dr. Kathy Madigan all about Higher Education and Direct Instruction. Kathy has been a teacher, principal, college professor and curriculum coordinator. She co-founded the American Board for Certification of Teacher Excellence and served as the Executive Director for the National Council on Teacher Quality. Previously, she has worked as the Vice President for Advantage Schools where she was responsible for curriculum, behavior, staff development and principal supervision in 16 schools the US that used Direct Instruction.

This podcast is brought to you by NIFDI, or the National Institute for Direct Instruction. I think this is the perfect time to announce that I will be bringing my talents and the Direct Instruction podcast to Eugene, OR in the summer of 2025 for NIFDI’s National Direct Instruction Conference and Institutes. You can find more information about the conference by going to http://www.nifdi.org, and I encourage you to register for what is the most comprehensive DI training available anywhere.  

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In addition, I wanted to share with you recordings of presentations that Marcy Stein and I did in Chile to a packed auditorium of over 1,000 educators. Both talks speak to the power of Direct Instruction. 

Zach Groshell’s Talk

 Marcy Stein’s Talk
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