What if loneliness isn't something to fix, but something to listen to? 

On this episode, Haesue sits down with Case Kenny, writer and podcast host of New Mindset, Who Dis? to unpack what loneliness really teaches us when we stop running from it. Case opens up about the profound disconnection he felt climbing the corporate ladder in his twenties—succeeding on paper but feeling emotionally cut off from himself and others. He shares how he learned to reframe loneliness as a compass rather than a character flaw, the power of changing his inner dialogue from harsh judgment to gentle guidance, and why the male loneliness epidemic starts with men asking deeper questions of each other. 

Haesue is then joined by Monica Jiang, founder of The Oneliness Project, for a grounded conversation about loneliness as both a personal and structural challenge. From how our cities and technology create disconnection, to simple practices for moving through difficult emotions without becoming consumed by them, this episode offers compassionate guidance for anyone learning to sit with discomfort—and discovering that sometimes the path back to others starts with learning to be comfortable with yourself.

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