Katie Herzog, co-host of the Blocked and Reported podcast (BarPod), is best known as an anthropologist of, as she puts it, "internet bullshit." But she's swerved far out of her lane for her latest project. In her brand new book, Drink Your Way Sober, Katie combines personal history with deep reporting to chronicle a lifetime of drinking and explain how a little-known drug called naltrexone, combined with an approach called The Sinclair Method, finally allowed her to quit for good.

They also get into why young people are drinking less, what the "California sober" trend actually means, and how Katie's own story fits into the larger debate about moderation versus abstinence. Plus: real estate, dogs, and how we're feeling about the state of independent journalism and their own longterm survival. Guest Bio: Katie Herzog is a journalist living in the Pacific Northwest. She is the host of the podcast Blocked and Reported.