LessWrong (Curated & Popular)

“How will we update about scheming?” by ryan_greenblatt


Listen Later

I mostly work on risks from scheming (that is, misaligned, power-seeking AIs that plot against their creators such as by faking alignment). Recently, I (and co-authors) released "Alignment Faking in Large Language Models", which provides empirical evidence for some components of the scheming threat model.

One question that's really important is how likely scheming is. But it's also really important to know how much we expect this uncertainty to be resolved by various key points in the future. I think it's about 25% likely that the first AIs capable of obsoleting top human experts[1] are scheming. It's really important for me to know whether I expect to make basically no updates to my P(scheming)[2] between here and the advent of potentially dangerously scheming models, or whether I expect to be basically totally confident one way or another by that point (in the same way that, though I might [...]

---

Outline:

(03:20) My main qualitative takeaways

(04:56) Its reasonably likely (55%), conditional on scheming being a big problem, that we will get smoking guns.

(05:38) Its reasonably likely (45%), conditional on scheming being a big problem, that we wont get smoking guns prior to very powerful AI.

(15:59) My P(scheming) is strongly affected by future directions in model architecture and how the models are trained

(16:33) The model

(22:38) Properties of the AI system and training process

(23:02) Opaque goal-directed reasoning ability

(29:24) Architectural opaque recurrence and depth

(34:14) Where do capabilities come from?

(39:42) Overall distribution from just properties of the AI system and training

(41:20) Direct observations

(41:43) Baseline negative updates

(44:35) Model organisms

(48:21) Catching various types of problematic behavior

(51:22) Other observations and countermeasures

(52:02) Training processes with varying (apparent) situational awareness

(54:05) Training AIs to seem highly corrigible and (mostly) myopic

(55:46) Reward hacking

(57:28) P(scheming) under various scenarios (putting aside mitigations)

(01:05:19) An optimistic and a pessimistic scenario for properties

(01:10:26) Conclusion

(01:11:58) Appendix: Caveats and definitions

(01:14:49) Appendix: Capabilities from intelligent learning algorithms

The original text contained 15 footnotes which were omitted from this narration.

---

First published:
January 6th, 2025

Source:
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/aEguDPoCzt3287CCD/how-will-we-update-about-scheming

---

Narrated by TYPE III AUDIO.

...more
View all episodesView all episodes
Download on the App Store

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)By LessWrong

  • 4.8
  • 4.8
  • 4.8
  • 4.8
  • 4.8

4.8

12 ratings


More shows like LessWrong (Curated & Popular)

View all
Making Sense with Sam Harris by Sam Harris

Making Sense with Sam Harris

26,395 Listeners

Conversations with Tyler by Mercatus Center at George Mason University

Conversations with Tyler

2,423 Listeners

Robert Wright's Nonzero by Nonzero

Robert Wright's Nonzero

590 Listeners

Future of Life Institute Podcast by Future of Life Institute

Future of Life Institute Podcast

107 Listeners

The Good Fight by Yascha Mounk

The Good Fight

904 Listeners

ManifoldOne by Steve Hsu

ManifoldOne

92 Listeners

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway by Vox Media Podcast Network

The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway

5,466 Listeners

Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST) by Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST)

Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST)

89 Listeners

Dwarkesh Podcast by Dwarkesh Patel

Dwarkesh Podcast

488 Listeners

Hard Fork by The New York Times

Hard Fork

5,467 Listeners

Clearer Thinking with Spencer Greenberg by Spencer Greenberg

Clearer Thinking with Spencer Greenberg

132 Listeners

Complex Systems with Patrick McKenzie (patio11) by Patrick McKenzie

Complex Systems with Patrick McKenzie (patio11)

133 Listeners

The Marginal Revolution Podcast by Mercatus Center at George Mason University

The Marginal Revolution Podcast

93 Listeners

Statecraft by Santi Ruiz

Statecraft

35 Listeners

The Last Invention by Longview

The Last Invention

297 Listeners