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Dr. Guy Winch, bestselling author and psychologist, joins Joe to discuss his newest book, Mind Over Grind to explore how job stress quietly spills beyond the office—and into our evenings, our sleep, and our relationships.

What starts as a difficult meeting or looming deadline doesn’t end at 1700. It follows us home. From the “Sunday Scaries” to 2AM rumination loops, Guy explains how modern work keeps us stuck in fight-or-flight—and why we’re often blind to the ways we sabotage our future selves in the process.

Joe reflects on his time in command and the culture of constant availability in the military, while Guy highlights research showing that leaders have far more power to reduce stress than they realize. Sometimes it’s not about solving the problem—just showing that you care.

They also spend time on practical tools: reframing procrastination, managing rumination, cultivating a better relationship with your “future self,” and creating intentional rituals that signal the workday is over.

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Joe and Guy also discuss:

• Why the dread of Monday is often worse than Monday itself
• How procrastination is really about avoiding feelings—not tasks
• The danger of treating your future self like a stranger
• How to stop replaying failures at 2AM
• The “Memoir Test” for putting problems in perspective
• Why naming your emotions reduces their intensity
• How journaling helps you spot recurring “icebergs” in your life
• Why Instagram reels don’t actually relax you
• The science behind clothing, rituals, and mental transitions

Whether you’re in the military, the corporate world, or building something of your own, this episode is a reminder that stress doesn’t stay at work—and that managing your inner world is part of leading well.

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