“You're captives of a civilizational system that more or less compels

you to go on destroying the world in order to live.… You are captives —

and you have made a captive of the world itself. That's what's at

stake, isn't it? —your captivity and the captivity of the world.”

― Daniel Quinn, Ishmael: An Adventure of the Mind and Spirit

Daniel Quinn is the author of the best-selling book Ishmael and a pioneer

in the concept of ReWilding. Daniel’s books had a massive influence on my

life trajectory, and I am so honored to have had the opportunity to

interview him! Our conversation traverses animism, the Sixth extinction and

so much more. Many of you are familiar with Daniel’s work, but if you’re

not, I encourage you to go pick up a copy of Ishmael right away. Find links

to the show notes and his books below! And if you are a fan of Daniel’s,

I’d love to hear what you thought of our conversation in the comments

below. Enjoy!

**Note: Our conversation was recorded via phone, so the audio quality is

not excellent. Apologies, and thanks for bearing with us on this one!

EPISODE BREAKDOWN:

* Daniel shares a bit about his background

* Transitioning from Christianity to an animistic worldview

* History and pre-history

* The Sixth Extinction

* Animism explained

* Outlook for the future of our world