Chayale sits down with her sister-in-law and fellow educator Mushka Kesselman as an exclusive RelationShift interview to explore the complex dynamic that arises when spouses are not aligned in their religious or Chassidic values. Drawing from her own experience as a teacher and coach, Mushka shares powerful principles that help women navigate the pain and confusion of spiritual disconnect in marriage — without judgment, blame, or pressure. The conversation emphasizes the importance of emotional space, self-responsibility, and the transformative impact of focusing on one’s own joy and connection in Yiddishkeit.

Together, they delve into what it really means to support a spouse without controlling them, how Shalom Bayis is not just a value but a Torah mandate, and why honoring each other’s spiritual autonomy creates room for true connection and growth. With relatable examples, including how to handle Pesach standards or fears around chinuch when values differ, this episode offers both clarity and comfort to anyone feeling spiritually alone in their marriage. Whether you're in that space yourself or supporting someone who is, this conversation is an empowering reminder that peace, love, and divine purpose are still fully possible — even when you're not on the same page.