As the war in Ukraine continues to escalate, what role does journalism play in peace-making, in dialling down the rhetoric? The BBC’s John Simpson was in Kyiv last week to interview President Zelensky – we’ll hear his take.

And with Katie in the studio is another giant of journalism. Emma Tucker is the editor of The Sunday Times. Only the second woman to have done that job in more than 100 years.

Presenter: Katie Razzall