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David Stockman, former budget chief to Ronald Reagan, joins Jay Martin to break down why Trump’s “Big Beautiful Bill” is a fiscal fantasy—and what it really signals about America's economic future. Stockman lays out a sobering roadmap of where the U.S. is headed. This conversation pulls no punches, diving into the debt spiral, entitlement crisis, and why the next financial reckoning may already be baked in.

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00:00 – Intro

01:06 – Trump’s Big Beautiful Bill: What It Really Means

19:22 – Could the Senate Kill the Bill? Stockman Thinks So

29:08 – Is Trump’s Agenda a Lie—Or a Delusion?

36:20 – The Reagan Playbook vs Today’s Reality

45:12 – Has America Crossed the Entitlement Tipping Point?

50:30 – Was the 1st Trump Economy Actually That Strong?

58:43 – Where Stockman Puts His Money Right Now

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