On February 12rd, Donald Trump held lengthty calls with Vladimir Putin and Volodymyr Zelenskyy to advance a vague peace plan for Ukraine. But can a peace deal actually come together in a way that upholds Ukraine’s determination to exist as an independent state, free from Russia’s yoke? And does Russia have any incentive to relent, given its slow but steady progress on the battlefield against war-weary Ukrainian soldiers?

Joining me to discuss these questions and more is Yaroslav Trofimov, a Ukrainian-born journalist and chief foreign affairs correspondent for The Wall Street Journal. His book Our Enemies Will Vanish, published last year, tells the story of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and Ukrainians’ determined efforts to push back. His new book, No Country for Love, is a work of historical fiction set in Ukraine in the 1930s.

Hear directly from one of the best journalists covering Ukraine today as he shares insights on the current state of the conflict, Zelenskyy’s domestic political challenges, and whether or not Trump’s peace plan is for real. You will learn a lot from this conversation. I certainly did.