The Complex Trauma Podcast

It's Not People-Pleasing, It's Fawning


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If you've spent your life being told you're "too nice," "a people-pleaser," or that you just need to "set better boundaries," this episode is for you. 

Fawning is the fourth trauma response, and for most folks with complex PTSD, it's been... a thing... for decades. 

In this episode, Sarah unpacks what fawning actually is (hint: it's not a personality flaw), how it gets built in childhood, what it can feel like in the body, and three small experiments to begin the work of coming home to yourself.

This is one of the most requested topics on The Complex Trauma Podcast. Sarah brings together the foundational work of Pete Walker, current research on complex trauma and emotional neglect, parts work and structural dissociation from Janina Fisher, polyvagal theory, and somatic experiencing into one  conversation about why so many of us learned to disappear into other people, and how we begin to find our way back.


In this episode, you'll learn:

  • The difference between fawning and people-pleasing, and why the distinction matters for healing
  • How fawning develops as a brilliant survival adaptation in childhood, often before you have language to remember it
  • Why the latest research shows emotional neglect is the strongest predictor of complex PTSD
  • Seven somatic markers of fawning, including the rehearsing, the scanning, the voice change, and the disappearance
  • How blended states (sympathetic activation plus dorsal shutdown) explain why fawning leaves you exhausted and wired at the same time
  • The reframe that changes everything: you are not a fawner. You have parts of you that fawn.
  • Three small, sticky experiments you can try this week: The Body Audit, The 1% Honest Answer, and The Tiny No
  • Why titration (slow, tiny, repeated) is the only way trauma responses actually unwind

Mentioned in this episode:

  • Complex PTSD: From Surviving to Thriving by Pete Walker
  • Fawning by Dr. Ingrid Clayton
  • Embracing our Fragmented Selves by Janina Fisher
  • Waking the Tiger and In an Unspoken Voice by Peter Levine
  • The CDC-Kaiser ACE Study
  • Why Regulation Feels So Hard with CPTSD (previous episode)
  • Sarah's conversation with Janina Fisher (previous episode)

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