JavaScript Jabber

PanelJoe Eames (twitter github blog) Merrick Christensen (twitter github) AJ O’Neal (twitter github blog) Charles Max Wood (twitter github Teach Me To Code Rails Ramp Up)
Discussion
 03:19 - The Future of JavaScript and ES6es-discuss -- Discussion of ECMAScript @esdiscuss six ES6 in node.js
@brendaneich (Brendan Eich)@rwaldron (Rick Waldron)10:18 - Getting News about JavaScript@derickbailey (Derick Bailey) @tjholowaychuk (TJ Holowaychuk aka Vision Media) @substack (James Halliday) @maxodgen (Max Ogden) Peter Cooper’s JavaScript Weekly Peter Cooper’s HTML5 Weekly @badass_js (Badass JavaScript) @seb_ly (Seb Lee-Delisle)
12:43 - BlogsBen Alman James Burke LosTechies Alvin Ashcraft’s Morning Dew The Changelog reddit
17:02 - FilteringReadability
Pocket (formerly Read It Later)Instapaperthree.jsUTOSC 2012 Machine Learning in JavaScript Jamison Dance VIDEO002323:21 - The CommunityAirbnb Meetups Addy Osmani: Articles for Developers Utah JS Utah Software Craftsmanship Group Ruby Rogues Parley
27:33 - Podcasts and VideosThe Changelog YUI Theater (Yahoo Theater) Google Tech Talks Coursera InfoQ Talks to Help You Become A Better Front-End Developer in 2013: Addy Osmani How To Stay Up To Date on Web Technology: Chris Coyier RubyTapas The JavaScript Show Wide Teams Emacs Rocks! The Breakpoint with Paul Irish and Addy Osmani NodeUp
35:53 - More BlogsHTML5 Rocks A Minute With Brendan Eich John Resig
36:16 - ConferencesCascadiaJS
JSConf
 NodeConfPicksSherlock Holmes Consulting Detective (Joe) Might & Magic Clash of Heroes (Joe) Diet Coke (Merrick) Noah Gundersen (Merrick) Anis Mojgani (Merrick) How to create a bookmarklet (and load jQuery anywhere)! (AJ) So I installed Ubuntu Linux... Now what? (AJ) Doctor Who Sonic Screwdriver of the 10th Doctor (Chuck) Powermat Power Dual 1200 Rechargeable Backup Battery (Chuck)
Next Week
 Monolithic vs Modular Design w/ Tom Dale and James Halliday
 Transcript
 AJ: I ate a lot of pickle chips this morning.[Hosting and bandwidth provided by the Blue Box Group. Check them out at BlueBox.net.][This episode is sponsored by Component One, makers of Wijmo. If you need stunning UI elements or awesome graphs and charts, then go to Wijmo.com and check them out.]CHUCK:  Hey everybody and welcome to Episode 46 of the JavaScript Jabber show. This week on our panel, we have Joe Eames.JOE: Howdy!CHUCK: We have Merrick Christensen.MERRICK: Hey guys!CHUCK: AJ O'Neal.AJ: I was informed that I'm not actually live.CHUCK: [laughs] Charles Max Wood from Devchat.tv. And real quick I just want to mention...I know that most of the people who listen to this show are JavaScript developers, but if you're interested in learning Ruby on Rails, then I'm going to be teaching a course. It starts in March and you basically get unlimited access to me during the course, access of forms. It's going to be online live training and then coding and Q&A. So if you're interested in that, go to railsrampup.com and sign up.AJ: Now what is "unlimited" mean when you talk about access to you?MERRICK: [scoffs] Come on, man!CHUCK: [laughs] If I'm awake, I'm probably available to answer to all your questions.MERRICK: Do panelists get discounts?CHUCK: If you're interested, I can probably work something out.JOE: Interesting.CHUCK: In fact, I'm offering a discount for anyone who listens to the podcast. If you go and sign up and you enter the coupon code podcast, it'll give you $200 off.MERRICK: Oh nice! Nice!AJ: Panelists only get $50 off, though.CHUCK: That's right. It's like my dad when he graduated from demo school, his cousin came up to him and said "So, do we get a family discount?" and he says "Yeah, I'll charge you 50% more".MERRICK: [laughs] No, kidding!

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PanelAJ O’Neal (twitter github blog) Merrick Christensen (twitter github) Joe Eames (twitter github blog) Jamison Dance (twitter github blog) Charles Max Wood (twitter github Teach Me To Code Rails Ramp Up)
Discussion
 01:11 - jQuery vs Prototype vs MooTools10:50 - JavaScript Going MainstreamFast Browsers Firefox Web Developer Tools V8 Web Stack
13:21 - Usable JavaScript17:05 - jQuery ProsCross-Platform CSS Selection Chaining
20:16 - jQuery Mobile20:48 - QUnit21:21 - Running jQuery in NodeScraping
22:32 - CSS Manipulation24:14 - jQuery UI25:19 - jQuery Community26:31 - jQuery PluginsAJ’s imageMerrick’s image29:52 - Ender & Zepto.js33:44 - jQuery ConsCustom Selectors Plugin Documentation API is too large
How to build your own jQuery52:15 - AJ lied about jQuery
 PicksThe Robert C. Martin Clean Code Collection (Joe) Old Man’s War by John Scalzi (Joe) Human Connectome Project (Merrick) pahen / node-madge (Merrick) Hype Machine (Merrick) Nothing to Envy: Ordinary Lives in North Korea by Barbara Demick (Jamison) Men’s Medium Tall (AJ) Ubuntu Phone (AJ) Interpreted Dance (AJ) Aaron Frost (AJ) aaronfrost / getusermedia-gestures-preso (AJ) AJ’s Blog (AJ) Hydrofarm Thirsty Light (Chuck) Powermat Power Dual 1200 Rechargeable Backup Battery (Chuck)
Joe’s Pluralsight Page
 Transcript:
 MERRICK:  Do you want to see my face?[Hosting and bandwidth provided by the Blue Box Group. Check them out at BlueBox.net.] [This episode is sponsored by Component One, makers of Wijmo. If you need stunning UI elements or awesome graphs and charts, then go to Wijmo.com and check them out.]CHUCK:  Hey everybody and welcome to Episode 45 of the JavaScript Jabber show. This week on our panel, we have AJ O’Neal.AJ:  Yo! Yo! Yo! Coming at you live from the screencastosphere of Provo, Utah.CHUCK:  So, I have to ask, AJ. You realize this is a podcast and that it’s coming to no one live, right?[Laughter]AJ:  He’s got a good point.CHUCK:  We also have Merrick Christensen.MERRICK:  Yeah, I’m Merrick.CHUCK:  Joe Eames.JOE:  I’m not Merrick, I’m Joe.MERRICK:  He’s Joe.CHUCK:  Jamison Dance.JAMISON:  Hello friends.CHUCK:  And I’m Charles Max Wood from DevChat.tv. And this week, we’re going to be talking about jQuery.So, I’m assuming we’ve all used jQuery at least a little bit.JAMISON:  Yes.MERRICK:  Yup.CHUCK:  If you’re doing web stuff, it’s pretty handy.MERRICK:  Actually, the first JavaScript code I ever wrote was messing with somebody’s little jQuery stuff on a form. And I remember I couldn’t get it to all work right. So I just had to set async to false. And I was like, “Man, this JavaScript language is stupid!”CHUCK:  [Laughs]AJ:  I wish my first experience had been with jQuery because I was not using jQuery when I was first using JavaScript and it was terribad. It’s like, “This works properly in no browsers!” Because each tutorial is wrong.CHUCK:  Yeah. Well, I remember back in the day when I was using Prototype for my web app. So, jQuery was a huge step up from Prototype, I have to say.MERRICK:  Why?CHUCK:  It’s just that the interface of the API felt better to me. I can’t really quantify how.MERRICK:  That’s fair. I was a big MooTools fan and I was kind of a hate Query, if you will.AJ:  As you should be, actually.MERRICK:  I didn’t hate jQuery per se, but I really loved MooTools just because the APIs were just so beautiful. And also, all of this new age, these structural libraries like Backbone and all that kind of thing was really natural in MooTools already, right? Because everything was so class-oriented and I’m not saying classes are the only way to organize your code.

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PanelDavid Herman (twitter blog Effective JavaScript) Jamison Dance (twitter github blog) AJ O’Neal (twitter github blog) Joe Eames (twitter github blog) Merrick Christensen (twitter github) Tim Caswell (twitter github howtonode.org) Charles Max Wood (twitter github Teach Me To Code Rails Ramp Up)
Discussion
 01:01 - David Herman IntroductionMozilla Mozilla Research TC39 - ECMAScript
01:45 - Effective JavaScript by David Herman04:27 - Reader Opinions & ControversyJavaScript:The Good Parts by Douglas Crockford09:09 - ES3 Shimming11:25 - Code: effectivejs/code12:50 - Parts of the Book15:54 - BlockingWeb Gestures With getUserMedia: Part1: Aaron Frost
17:28 - Book Level of DifficultyEffective C++ by Scott Meyers
20:09 - Asynchronous APIsRecursion Tail-Call Optimization
26:51 - Programming Language Academics30:55 - DOM IntegrationEffective C++ by Scott Meyers Effective STL by Scott Meyers
31:50 - Advice for JavaScript BeginnersEloquent Javascript by Marijn HaverbekeJavaScript Enlightenment by Cody LindleyHow to Design Programs33:16 - Advice for Programmers in General34:53 - Performance38:16 - The JavaScript Language40:45 - Primitives Vs Wrapper Classes42:37 - Semicolons45:24 - -0/+0
 PicksJack (Tim) Putting Constants on the Left (AJ) Getting Started with Amazon AWS EC2 (1 year free VPS web hosting) (AJ) Notes on Distributed Systems for Young Bloods: Jeff Hodges (Jamison) Hurdles getting started with Ember.js (Jamison) Grieves (Merrick) The Scala Programming Language (Merrick) Antoine Dufour (Joe) Torchlight II (Joe) Appliness Digital Magazine (Joe) Powermat Home & Office Mat (Chuck) Une Bobine (Chuck) The Rust Programming Language (David) mozilla/servo (David) Roominate Toy (David) OpenWest Conference Call For Papers (AJ)
Transcript
 CHUCK:  The most effective way to hack is quickly.[Hosting and bandwidth provided by the Blue Box Group. Check them out at bluebox.net.][This episode is sponsored by Component One, makers of Wijmo. If you need stunning UI elements or awesome graphs and charts, then go to Wijmo.com and check them out.]CHUCK:  Hey everybody and welcome to Episode 44 of the JavaScript Jabber show. This week on our panel, we have Jamison Dance.JAMISON:  Hello.CHUCK:  AJ O’Neal.AJ:  Yo! Yo! Yo! Coming at you live from the living roomisphere of Provo, Utah.CHUCK:  We have Joe Eames.JOE:  Hi.CHUCK:  Merrick Christensen.MERRICK:  What’s up guys?CHUCK:  Tim Caswell.TIM:  Hello.CHUCK:  I'm Charles Max Wood from devchat.tv and this week, we have a special guest, Dave Herman.DAVE:  Hi there.CHUCK:  So Dave, you haven’t been on the show before. Do you want to introduce yourself?DAVE:  Sure. I work for Mozilla. I have sort of helped create this new department called Mozilla Research where we do a whole bunch of web platform experiments and new technology for the web. And I also am on the horribly named TC39, the standards organization for ECMAScript, working on the next edition of the JavaScript standard.CHUCK:  Cool.DAVE:  Oh, and I wrote this book.CHUCK: You did this book.TIM:  You didn’t just read it and then become an expert on the book and then talk on a podcast about it?[Laughter]CHUCK:  So, I heard about this book. I’m a little curious when you started writing the book, I mean, what was the idea behind it? What inspired it?DAVE:  To tell you the truth, I had no intention of writing a book, it didn’t occur to me. But the publishers reached out to me, I guess they heard of me through TC39, maybe ‘es-discuss’ or something. But they said, “Okay we’ve got this series, this Effective series.” And I was very familiar with Effective C++ which I think is a great book and I really like the format. And just when they approached me, I kind of thought, “You know,Special Guest: David Herman.

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PanelChristian Johansen (twitter github blog) Joe Eames (twitter github blog) Merrick Christensen (twitter github) Jamison Dance (twitter github blog)
Discussion
 00:45 - Christian JohansenTest-Driven JavaScript Development
Sinon.JS
 Gitorious01:26 - Sinon.JS02:22 - Stubs, Mocks and SpiesMocks Aren’t Stubs: Martin Fowler
 Mocha10:47 - History of Sinon.JS12:25 - XHR, HML, HTTP13:36 - Mocking the ClockSet Time Out
17:22 - Test-Driven JavaScript DevelopmentAndrea Giammarchi @WebReflection The Pragmatic Bookshelf Screencasts
21:43 - Test FrameworkBuster.JS
 js-test-driver24:17 - Other Mocking Librariesmockjax
26:24 - Mocking Properties27:22 - Matchers30:46 - Sinon.JS Gotchas33:10 - State of Test-Driven Development in JavaScriptStrategies for Testing
PicksJack Reacher (Joe) Torchlight II (Joe) Effective JavaScript by David Herman (Merrick) Rdio (Merrick) Adventure Time (Jamison) How to implement an algorithm from a scientific paper: Emmanuel Goossaert (Jamison) Advanced Vim registers (Jamison) Emacs Rocks! (Christian) Simple Made Easy (Christian) LEGO Lord of the Rings (Christian) Testing Clientside JavaScript (Joe)
Transcript
 MERRICK:  Classy guy.[Hosting and bandwidth provided by the Blue Box Group. Check them out at Bluebox.net.][This episode is sponsored by Component One, makers of Wijmo. If you need stunning UI elements or awesome graphs and charts, then go to Wijmo.com and check them out.]JAMISON:  Hello friends. Welcome to JavaScript Jabber. This is Episode number 43. Today, we have Joe Eames.JOE:  Howdy!JAMISON:  Merrick Christensen.MERRICK:  Hey guys!JAMISON:  And Christian Johansen. And also me, Jamison Dance. But Christian is the special guest today. Do you want to talk a little bit about yourself? Introduce yourself for those of us that don’t know you?CHRISTIAN:  Yeah, sure. First of all, hi! I'm in Oslo, Norway up in the cold north. So, I wrote a book about testing JavaScript a couple of years back called ‘Test-Driven JavaScript Development’. And I've done a few open source libraries. Perhaps the one that most people know about is Sinon.JS. And currently, I work at Gitorious.org. So, that’s the brief introduction about me, I guess.JAMISON:  Great! Chuck is gone today. He’s at CES, I believe. So, that’s why I'm filling in for him. I think we want to talk mainly about Sinon.JS today. Do you want to just give an overview of it?CHRISTIAN:  Sure.JAMISON:  For those who have never heard of Sinon.JS, what is it?CHRISTIAN:  Sinon.JS is a stubbing and mocking library which means that when you're writing automated tests for your JavaScript, Sinon provides a tool kit to help you test functions and callbacks and stuff like that, to track how they're being used throughout the system. And then, it also provides some utilities to test asynchronous stuff through timers, like Set Time Out and Set Interval and those kinds of things.And it also has a fake XMLHttpRequest implementation. So, it allows you to test your client side JavaScript completely decoupled from the server and it gives you an API to mimic the role of the server in your tests. So, you can focus a test on how the client side reacts to various kind of behavior from the server.JAMISON:  So, you talked about stubbing and mocking. And I think, that means we have to get into the hairy discussion of the difference between stubs and mocks?MERRICK:  And spies.JAMISON:  And spies, yeah. Do you want to explain that a little bit?CHRISTIAN:  Sure. I can explain my take on it because I know there are more than just mine.MERRICK:  Sure.CHRISTIAN:  I'm using the terminology pretty much like Martin Fowler did and he has a famous article called ‘Spies are Not Mocks’ or something like that. So,Special Guest: Christian Johansen .

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PanelBrian Turley (twitter blog) Joe Eames (twitter github blog) Merrick Christensen (twitter github) AJ O’Neal (twitter github blog) Charles Max Wood (twitter github Teach Me To Code Rails Ramp Up)
Discussion
 02:11 - CSS GripesSassScalable and Modular Architecture for CSS (SMACSS)CSS316:32 - Preprocessors/CompilersLESSSassStylusCompassChris Eppstein20:34 - Basic Features of CSS Preprocessorsnib mix-ins
23:02 - Usefulness27:15 - Mathematics w/ VariablesSusy28:54 - AnimationUsing CSS animations31:12 - Nesting35:40 - Build Processesgrunt.js42:20 - DistinctionPrefixing
47:35 - Tightly Coupled
 PicksOld Man’s War by John Scalzi (Joe) X-Wing Miniatures Game (Joe) Dave Crowe (Merrick) Utah Software Craftsmanship Group (AJ) Effective JavaScript by David Herman (AJ) SD Card (Chuck) New Media Expo (Chuck) Consumer Electronics Show (Chuck) iOS Development Podcast (Chuck) Grid Systems in Graphic Design by Josef Muller-Brockmann (Brian) IFTTT (Brian)
Book ClubEffective JavaScript by David Herman
Transcript
 MERRICK:  You have more technical problems than any other nerd I know.[Hosting and bandwidth provided by the Blue Box Group. Check them out at bluebox.net.][This episode is sponsored by Component One, makers of Wijmo. If you need stunning UI elements or awesome graphs and charts, then go to Wijmo.com and check them out.]CHUCK:  Hey everybody and welcome to Episode 42 of the JavaScript Jabber show. This week on our panel, we have Joe Eames.MERRICK:  He’s out to a phone call, terrible timing.CHUCK:  We also have Merrick Christensen.MERRICK:  That’s me.CHUCK:  AJ O’Neal.AJ:  Yo! Yo! Yo! Coming at you live from the snow sphere of Provo, Utah.CHUCK:  And we have a guest, that’s Brian Turley.BRIAN:  That’s right. I’m a designer friend of AJ’s.CHUCK:  We’re talking about CSS today so we brought in a designer to set us all straight.And I’m Charles Max Wood from devchat.tv. And like I said, we’re talking about CSS today. One of the things I think that’s interesting about CSS is that it converges with JavaScript. Well, there are a couple of things but one is systems like LESS, that kind of compile, they give you some sane options for dealing with some of the dumb stuff that CSS doesn’t include. Then the other one is, I’ve also wound up fighting designers for selectors in the HTML. And so, I thought we could talk through that a little bit as well.BRIAN:  Hey, Chuck?CHUCK:  Yes?BRIAN:  I think those are two like really good points but I think there’s even more areas we can discuss in terms of how JavaScript and CSS are coupled. Like computed styles from JavaScript and also all the CSS methods from JavaScript. And the fact that your JavaScript sometimes doesn’t work, your UI doesn’t work unless the CSS is set up. I think the two tend to be a lot more coupled than people like to think.CHUCK:  I agree. That’s fair. So, which avenue or which aspect do you want to tackle first? Should we talk about just CSS and where it kind of doesn’t give us what we want?BRIAN:  I would love to complain about CSS. I got some bitterness in that sphere.CHUCK:  I know some people consider it programming but it doesn’t have any of the things that classic programming has like variables and functions or methods or anything like that. And I think that’s where a lot of us get frustrated is that we’re used to being able to reuse things, we’re used to being able to set things up that will define the behavior that we want. And in CSS, you really don’t have that. It’s really just simple markup.JOE:  So, do we consider the CSS languages, like Sass and LESS and all those to be part of CSS because then we talk about actually having those things.CHUCK:  Yes. I don’t know if you can call them CSS.Special Guest: Brian Turley.

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PanelJamison Dance (twitter github blog) AJ O’Neal (twitter github blog) Charles Max Wood (twitter github Teach Me To Code Rails Ramp Up)
Discussion
 02:09 - Follow Up to 040 JSJ ConferencesBroad Conferences vs Focused Conferences Utah Open Source/Open West Conference 2013
05:28 - Single Page Application FrameworksjQueryBackbone.jsEmber.jspure.jsplates.jsAngularJS15:10 - Path & Hash RoutingPushstate/Popstatesammy.jsjquery.bbqlocalStorage == cookieshistory.js22:23 - Synchronizing Your DataWebSocket Operational Transformation Lucidchart
24:51 - WebSocketscURLSocket.IO32:44 - App IssuesMemory
38:52 - When do you want a Single Page App?JadeLESSPicksSimple (AJ) Coding for Interviews (Jamison) Empirical Zeal: What does randomness look like? (Jamison) Aeron Chair by Herman Miller (Chuck) Allrecipes.com (Chuck)
Book ClubEffective JavaScript by David Herman
Transcript
 AJ:  Yeah, I think I'm 26 still, for another 6 months.CHUCK:  Yeah. You have to count on your toes to figure it out.AJ:  Yeah, twice actually. Because once I'm already bent over, I just keep counting on my toes. I don't start back at my fingers.CHUCK:  [laughs][Hosting and bandwidth provided by the Blue Box Group. Check them out at Bluebox.net.][This episode is sponsored by Component One, makers of Widge Mo. If you need stunning UI elements or awesome graphs and charts, then go to WidgeMo.com and check them out.]CHUCK:  Hey everybody and welcome to Episode 41 of the JavaScript Jabbers show. I almost said Ruby Rogues. How tired am I?JAMISON:  Don't cheat on us, Chuck.CHUCK:  It's right after Christmas.JAMISON:  We know you have another family but we love you when we have you.CHUCK:  Oh, my gosh! Yeah, we had family here for two days and my wife panics when people are coming over and has to have the house immaculate. And then she kept getting tired or sick or having some other issues. So, I kept forcing her to go to bed and then staying up until 2:00 AM, cleaning the house. So, I’m totally worn out.Anyway, so this is JavaScript Jabber, it's not Ruby Rogues. If you want Ruby Rogues, go to RubyRogues.com and see what we were talking about over there.Last week, we talked about conferences and I know that AJ wanted to say something. I guess we usually do the introductions first. So, let's do that and then let AJ say his piece and then we’ll move onto our topic for today.So, this week on our panel, we have Jamison Dance.JAMISON:  Hi, guys! Merry Belated Christmas.CHUCK:  We have AJ O'Neil.AJ:  Yo! Yo! Yo!  Coming at you from the green Christmasphere of Virginia.CHUCK:  Oh, you're in Virginia?AJ:  Yes, I am. Visiting family.CHUCK:  Cool. And I'm Charles Max Wood from DevChat.tv. I just want to put a quick plug in for my Rails course. If you want to learn Ruby on Rails, go to RailsRampUp.com. It's kind of a guided course and you get a lot of access to me to learn it.So AJ, what was it that you wanted to chime in with, with the conferences that we couldn't get you in last week to say?AJ:  Okay. So, both Merrick and myself have had this same experience. So, we were talking about having the broad conference versus the focused conference, the broad talk or workshop versus the more focused one. And we both have come to the conclusions that having it more focused is better. With the conference, it's fun to go to a broad conference but even in that, like it’s nice to have the focused talks like the ‘Utah Open Source Conference’ which this year is ‘Open West Conference’. It's expanding out and they've got some big surprise. I'm guessing they got some nice speakers. And the call for papers for that opens on January 2nd supposedly. So, that's a really nice conference but it's broad but it’s still fun.

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Panel Trevor Tingey (twitter blog) Joe Eames (twitter github blog) Tim Caswell (twitter github howtonode.org) Charles Max Wood (twitter github Teach Me To Code Rails Ramp Up) Discussion
01:16 - Conferences Attended Visual Studio Live (VS Live) (Joe) Utah Open Source (Joe & Chuck) Utah JS (Joe) MountainWest RubyConf (Trevor & Chuck) JSConf (Trevor) UberConference (Trevor) Web 2.0 (Trevor) RailsConf (Chuck) RubyConf (Chuck) Aloha Ruby Conference (Chuck) New Media Expo (Chuck) 03:24 - Preparing/Planning for Conferences
08:39 - Chatting with Others/Making Contacts at Conferences Hackathons Social Activities 14:36 - Hackathons/Code Retreats/Workshops Global Day of Coderetreat DevTeach 18:46 - Methodology Conferences Agile Roots 22:42 - Industry Conferences vs Local/Regional Conferences Multiple Tracks Networking 28:12 - Making the Most out of Sessions Taking Notes Follow Along in Code Sessions Seating Choice 33:02 - Lightning Talks Speaking Exposure 35:37 - Speaking at Conferences (Tim Joins) Veteran Speakers vs Unique Speakers 41:00 - Submitting Proposals Interesting Title 42:56 - Mistakes People Make Speaking at Conferences Underestimating Time Practice Your Talk Be Excited 45:24 - Preparing Slides Bullet Points Color/Contrast 50:03 - Watch Your Audience
Picks The Hobbit (Joe) RiffTrax (Joe) Pluralsight (Joe) Blue Microphones: Yeti (Tim) Closure Compiler Service (Chuck) Headline Hacks (Chuck) Once Upon a Time (Trevor) Sublime Text 2 (Trevor) Jack Reacher (Trevor) Foo Fighters (Trevor) Transcript
CHUCK:  From the meat lockers of Domo. [This episode today is sponsored by Component One. Makers of Wijmo. If you need stunning UI elements or awesome graphs and charts then go to Wijmo.com and check them out.] [Hosting and bandwidth provided by the Blue Box Group. Check them out at BlueBox.net.] CHUCK:  Hey everybody and welcome to episode 40 of the JavaScript Jabber Show. This week on our panel, we have Joe Eames. JOE: Howdy! CHUCK:  I’m Charles Max Wood from devchat.tv and we have a special guest, that’s Trevor Tingey. TREVOR:  Hello. CHUCK:  He’s joining us from Domo. We had some folks on vacation and stuff and we were short a few people. So, Joe invited one of his co-workers. I don’t really have co-workers per se since I’m doing contract stuff most of the time. Anyway... JOE:  Is your cat your co-worker, Chuck? CHUCK:  What was that? JOE:  Is your cat your co-worker? CHUCK:  I don’t have a cat. JOE:  A dog? CHUCK:  Nope, I don’t have a dog either. I’m allergic to cats. But yeah, no cats. Anyway, we’re going to talk this week about making the most of conferences. I’m a little curious, what conferences have you guys been able to attend over the last few years or over your career? JOE:  I was a Microsoft developer before I went fully front end. So I went to several Microsoft development conferences, VS Live was probably my favorite one. Recently, I’ve been to the Utah Open Source conference and the Utah JavaScript conference, really liked those. CHUCK:  Yeah, the local conferences are fun. What about you, Trevor? TREVOR:  I’ve been to a lot of conferences. Recently, I went to the Mountain West Ruby Conference. That was entertaining. I went to the JavaScript, JS Conf and that was the first Node Conf also was kind of dependent on the end of the JS Conf and that was up in Portland. I really liked that one. Like Joe, I used to do some Microsoft stuff. So, I’ve been to Microsoft before and several other ones in between, Uber Conf, Web 2.0 in New York. JOE:  Does Comdex count? I went to Comdex once. [laughs] CHUCK:  Yeah, I didn’t really start going to conferences until I gotten into Ruby. So, most of the conferences I’ve been to were Ruby related, though I did go the Utah Open Source and some of those. Yeah,Special Guest: Trevor Tingey.

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PanelTim Disney (twitter github blog) AJ O’Neal (twitter github blog) Jamison Dance (twitter github blog) Joe Eames (twitter github blog) Tim Caswell (twitter github howtonode.org) Charles Max Wood (twitter github Teach Me To Code)
Discussion
 01:23 - Book Club Episode: Effective JavaScript by David HermanEpisode will record on January 10th and air January 18th
01:48 - Sweet.jsMacros: syntactic transformations Build-your-own CoffeeScript Cleans up code
07:03 - Benefits and Disadvantages10:37 - Using MacrosWhere are they needed? Where are they not needed?
 Why sweet.js Matters13:10 - Pattern Matching15:36 - Domain Specific Languages16:48 - Hygiene18:50 - Class Macro20:28 - Limits21:38 - Language Support25:18 - Nesting28:40 - Cool MacrosExample macros30:13 - Sweet.js: What is coming?Defining Macros Syntax Rules
33:06 - Sweet.js mailing listIRC channel #sweet.js on irc.mozilla.org
PicksGoogle+ Hangouts (AJ) The Man from Earth (Jamison) TypeScript (Joe) Red Dawn (Joe) Creationix Innovations (Tim C.) Effective JavaScript by David Herman (Tim D.) Growing a Language by Guy Steele (Tim D.) Downton Abbey (Chuck) Rails Ramp Up (Chuck)
Transcript
 JAMISON:  Oh, my goodness! You can like, put a beard on them and it follows their face!JOE:  Isn’t that awesome?[Crosstalk]JAMISON:  How do I get rid of it? Actually, it was really distracting. I didn’t know you guys would see that.[This episode is sponsored by Component One, makers of Wijmo. If you need stunning UI elements or awesome graphs and charts, then go to Wijmo.com and check them out.][Hosting and bandwidth provided by the Blue Box Group. Check them out at Bluebox.net.]CHUCK:  Hey everybody and welcome to Episode 39 of the JavaScript Jabber show. This week on our panel, we have AJ O’Neal. We have AJ O’Neal on mute. We have Jamison Dance.JAMISON:  I am not on mute, I hope.CHUCK:  We have Joe Eames.JOE:  Hi everybody.CHUCK:  We have Tim Caswell.TIM C:  Hello.CHUCK:  We also have a special guest, that’s Tim Disney.TIM D:  Hi.CHUCK:  AJ, did you figure out your mute issues? That would be a no. I’m Charles Max Wood from Devchat.tv. And this week, we’re going to be talking about Sweet.js.Before we get started, there is one thing I want to announce really quickly and that is that we have scheduled a Book Club episode for January 10th and that’s going to be with David Herman who wrote ‘Effective JavaScript’. So it’s a pretty slim book, should be easy to get through. But yeah, if you want to follow along with that discussion, then by all means, join in.Alright. Let’s talk about Sweet.js. Has anyone…AJ:  Can you hear me now?CHUCK:  Yeah.AJ:  Okay, cool.CHUCK:  So, I went and looked at it. I fiddled with it a little bit. I didn’t have enough time to really get into it the way that I wanted to. It looks really cool though. What kind of gave you the idea of doing something like macros for JavaScript, Tim?TIM D:  Well, I guess it’s just something I’ve sort of wanted for JavaScript for awhile. But the main sort of impetus I guess was, I was interning at Mozilla Research this past summer. And Dave Herman who has worked on macros in the past basically said he thought that it was sort of finally possible to do for JavaScript. And so, that was a possible sort of intern project for the summer. And so, that’s what got it started.JAMISON:  So can you back up and talk about what macros are, because I’m sure there are lots of people that don’t know and lots of people that hear macros and think like CP process are macros.TIM D:  Right yeah, exactly. So, C style macros are the sort of painful and sort of limited. The macros that Sweet.js implements are much more in line with sort of scheme style macros. So,Special Guest: Tim Disney.

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PanelJustin Searls (twitter github blog) Jamison Dance (twitter github blog) Joe Eames (twitter github blog) Merrick Christensen (twitter github) AJ O’Neal (twitter github blog) Charles Max Wood (twitter github Teach Me To Code)
Discussion
 01:33 - Justin SearlsTest Double
02:14 - JasminePivotal Labs
03:42 - Testing JavaScript05:29 - CoffeeScript07:22 - What Jasmine isUnit testing library RSpec DOM agnostic
10:16 - Testing the DOM14:01 - Tragedy of the commonsfactory_girl
18:29 - Testing23:53 - Syntax in Jasmine26:23 - RSpec and Jasmine28:07 - Async support in Jasmine32:18 - Spiesmockito Conditional stubbing jasmine-stealth jasmine-fixture
37:30 - jasmine-givenCucumber
43:19 - Running Jasminejasminerice
jasmine-railsjasmine-headless-webkit
 Testacular
 testem49:17 - tryjasmine.com
 PicksRunning MongoDB on AWS (Jamison) The Clean Coder by Robert C. Martin (Joe) Squire.js (Joe and Merrick) Rdio app (Merrick) Square (AJ) Allrecipes.com (AJ) Jenkins CI (Chuck) Apple’s Podcast app (Chuck) lineman (Justin) StarTalk Radio Show with Neil Degrasse Tyson (Justin) To The Moon PC Game (Justin)
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 JAMISON:  Holy cow!JOE:  That was not annoying.CHUCK:  What’s not annoying?MERRICK:  He is punching a bag of Fritos?JOE:  Yeah.[Laughter]CHUCK:  Well, I was closing it up so they don’t get stale as fast.JOE:  You’re very thorough. Those are going to be the least stale… MERRICK:  Do you have like a Frito resealer or something?[Laughter][Shrill sound]CHUCK:  Okay, sealed.[This episode is sponsored by Component One, makers of Wijmo. If you need stunning UI elements or awesome graphs and charts, then go to Wijmo.com and check them out.][Hosting and bandwidth provided by the Blue Box Group. Check them out at Bluebox.net.]CHUCK:  Hey everybody, and welcome to Episode 38 of the JavaScript Jabber show. This week on our panel, we have Jamison Dance.JAMISON:  Hi guys!CHUCK:  Joe Eames.JOE:  Howdy?CHUCK:  Merrick Christensen.MERRICK:  What’s up?CHUCK:  AJ O’Neal is trying to join the call. He’s here.AJ:  Yo! Yo! Yo! Coming at you live from the Rental Agreement sphere of Provo, Utah.MERRICK:  He lives!CHUCK:  I’m Charles Max Wood from DevChat.tv. And this week, we have a special guest. That’s Justin Searls.JUSTIN:  Hello.CHUCK:  So, why don’t you tell us a little bit about yourself, Justin?JUSTIN:  Okay. Well, now that I’m on the spot, my name is Justin. I’m a software developer. I live in Columbus, Ohio. About a year ago, me and a guy named Todd Kaufman started a new company called Test Double. Previously, he and I had been doing consulting for a long, long time. And we’re up to eight people now. And we have a good time building software with an emphasis on terrific interaction design which has resulted in us kind of developing a specialty for well-crafted frontend code, predominantly JavaScript. And I imagine that’s probably why I’m here today.CHUCK:  Awesome. Alright. Well, we brought you on to talk about Jasmine. Jasmine was written by, was it Pivotal Labs? JUSTIN:  Yeah, Pivotal Labs guys. A guy names Christian Williams who I think has since moved on to Square, and D.W. Frank who’s still at Pivotal. They wrote the core library and me and a whole bunch of other people in the community have piled on with different runners and add-ons and extensions in the sort of like little ecosystem of the 25 people who write unit tests for JavaScript.CHUCK:  All 25 of you, huh?JUSTIN:  Well, it’s not a lot, right? It’s been a fun journey of being one of the very few people who really, really got excited or chose to get excited about making it easier for folks to write tests in JavaScript or as easy as it would be for whatever servers and language they’d be using.Special Guest: Justin Searls.

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PanelKris Kowal (twitter github blog) Domenic Denicola (twitter github blog) AJ O’Neal (twitter github blog) Jamison Dance (twitter github blog) Joe Eames (twitter github blog) Merrick Christensen (twitter github) Charles Max Wood (twitter github Teach Me To Code Intro to CoffeeScript)
Discussion
 02:41 - PromisesAsynchonous programming
05:09 - Using Promises from top to bottom07:08 - DomainsNodeConf SummerCamp07:55 - Q10:22 - q.nfbind11:15 - Q vs jQueryYou’re Missing the Point of PromisesComing from jQuery15:41 - long-stack-tracesturn
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 JavaScriptStackTraceApi: Overview of the V8 JavaScript stack trace API (error.prepare stack trace)19:36 - Original Promises/A spec and Promises/A+ specwhen.jsPromises Test SuiteUnderscore deferred24:22 - .thenChai as Promised26:58 - Nesting Promisesspread method28:38 - Error Handlingcauseway
32:57 - Benefits of PromisesError Handling
Multiple Async at onceHandle things before and after they happen40:29 - task.js41:33 - Languagee programming languageCoffeeScript44:11 - Mocking Promises45:44 - Testing PromisesMocha as Promised
PicksCode Triage (Jamison) The Creative Sandbox Guidebook (Joe) Steam (Joe) Pluralsight (Joe) montage (Kris) montagejs / mr (Kris) CascadiaJS 2012 - Domenic Denicola (Domenic) Omnifocus (Chuck) Buckyballs (AJ)
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 JOE: I can’t imagine your baby face with a beard, Jamison.JAMISON: I never thought I had a baby face.AJ: It was always a man face to me.JOE: Everybody who is 15 years younger than me has a baby face.[This episode is sponsored by ComponentOne, makers of Wijmo. If you need stunning UI elements or awesome graphs and charts, then go to wijmo.com and check them out.][This show is sponsored by Gaslight Software. They are putting on Mastering Backbone training in San Francisco at the Mission Bay Conference Center, December 3rd through 5th. They'll be covering Jasmine, Backbone and CoffeeScript. For more information or to register, go to training.gaslightsoftware.com][Hosting and bandwidth provided by the Blue Box Group. Check them out at bluebox.net]CHUCK: Hey everybody. Welcome to episode 37 of the JavaScript Jabber show. This week on our panel, we have AJ O'Neal.AJ: Yo, yo, yo, comin' at you live from the executive boardroom suite of Orem, Utah.CHUCK: Jamison Dance.JAMISON: Hey guys!CHUCK: Joe Eames.JOE: Hey there!CHUCK: Merrick ChristensenMERRICK: What's up.CHUCK: I'm Charles Max Wood from devchat.tv and this week we have some guests -- and that is Kris Kowal.KRIS: Hello. Yeah, Kowal.CHUCK: Kowal. OK. And Domenic Denicola. Did I say that right?DOMENIC: Denicola.CHUCK: Denicola.DOMENIC: It’s OK I got Americanized. That's probably the proper Italian pronunciation. Hi guys!CHUCK: I speak proper Italian, so probably.KRIS: Yeah and for what it’s worth, I think that the proper Polish is Kowal or something, but yeah.JAMISON: Kris, are you from the Midwest? You have kind of Minnesota-ish accent.KRIS: No. I'm actually unfortunately from somewhere in the suburbs of Los Angeles, but I grew up indoors and did listen to Prairie Home Companion. So I don’t know. Maybe.[laughter]CHUCK: Awesome. All right. So this week we are going to be talking about… actually there's one thing I need to announce before. If you are listening to this episode, you’ll probably notice a little bit of a difference with our sponsorship message. I actually left off one important piece to one of the sponsorship messages and that is for the Gaslight software training that's going to be in San Francisco, if you wanna sign up, go to training.gaslightsoftware.com and you can sign up there. They’ve been a terrific sponsor and I feel kind of bad that I botched that. But anyway,Special Guests: Domenic Denicola and Kris Kowal.

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