Hardcore porn, boring mega-fans, and ANOHNI dropping allegorical knowledge are just the start of this incredibly thoughtful and open conversation between John Grant and Jake Shears (Scissor Sisters, Kinky Boots). The two are huge fans of each other’s work, and were both nervous and excited at the opportunity to sit down and chop it up. Their talk also covers how they’ve each faced, and overcome, their worst performing nightmares; the inspiration chili and cheesecake brought to recording John’s Love Is Magic; and Jake’s uncomfortably intimate encounter with the String Cheese Incident.

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Today’s episode was co-produced by Mark Yoshizumi. It was recorded by Ali Nikou at Shears’ home in LA, and by Mark Yoshizumi at Hook and Fade Studios in Brooklyn.

The Talkhouse Podcast’s theme song was composed and performed by The Range.