Sonia and Kathleen sit down with Melanie Gulde to explore what truly supportive, humane recovery can look like—especially for women. Melanie is the Co-Founder of the Divided Sky Foundation and Program Director of the Divided Sky Residential Recovery Program in Ludlow. With more than 25 years in the field, Melanie has dedicated her life to helping people rediscover their worth and build sustainable sobriety. Her work includes founding Divided Sky in partnership with Trey Anastasio — the co-founding guitarist and lead vocalist of the jam band Phish - and launching a Women’s Scholarship Fund to reduce barriers to treatment for women.

You'll hear what actually helps people stay sober, how emotional sobriety supports long-term healing, and how joy, music, nature, and community can reshape the recovery experience. The episode also explores women-specific challenges like stigma, childcare, financial barriers, vulnerability in mixed-gender treatment settings, and why communal, women-centered environments can significantly improve outcomes.

Melanie explains how concepts like emotional regulation, unmet expectations, family systems, accountability, and values-based recovery show up in real life, and how programs like Divided Sky integrate mindfulness, music therapy, spirituality, forest bathing, and peer support to support sustainable change.

The episode also weaves in Melanie’s personal story—from getting sober in 1995 to her early work in outpatient counseling and drug court to the pivotal relationship with Trey, which led to the creation of Divided Sky. Sonia and Kathleen guide listeners through Melanie’s reflections on mentorship, mistakes, growth, and the “aha” moments that shaped her philosophy: that people don’t need punishment to heal—they need dignity, safety, and belief in their own potential.

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Episode Highlights (Time-Stamped)

00:01 — Introducing Melanie Gould and the mission behind Divided Sky

00:02 — Growing up on Long Island and early influences on empathy and service

00:03 — Getting sober in 1995 and finding a calling in recovery work

00:04 — Early mentorship lessons and learning not to take relapse personally

00:06 — What drug court teaches that traditional clinical settings don’t

00:07 — Reframing “mandated treatment” and removing judgment from recovery

00:08 — Melanie’s first interactions with Trey Anastasio in drug court

00:09 — Fear, structure, and accountability in early recovery

00:11 — How a professional relationship evolved into collaboration and friendship

00:13 — Why Divided Sky was created to treat people as individuals

00:16 — What emotional sobriety really means and why it’s transformative

00:18 — Connecting emotional sobriety with the 12 Steps

00:21 — The role of music, joy, and creativity in recovery

00:24 — Joy-based recovery and the healing power of nature

00:26 — A day in the life at Divided Sky

00:28 — Community, volunteers, and connection as recovery tools

00:30 — Why the Women’s Scholarship Fund matters

00:33 — Why women recover differently and need women-centered spaces

00:35 — Changing family dynamics and their impact on recovery

00:38 — A message of hope for anyone afraid to ask for help

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