Hey! Politicians! Stop talking like cardboard cutouts (if you're mainstream) or lunatics (if you're not).

If politicians can't figure out how to have uncomfortable conversations, voters will elect populists who can.

Last Thursday, Australia's flagship current affairs TV show grilled the opposition leader, Angus Taylor. It wasn't pretty. Obfuscations, snarkiness, waffling, pre-rehearsed speechifying, evasions. Why???

Few people are more experienced at navigating uncomfortable conversations than ole Szepsie. Here, in a selfless public service, Josh plays back the interview and interjects with his thoughtful advice.

This is a fascinating post mortem of how politicians can do better, how political personas are constructed, how political interviews work, how to succeed at them, and what all this reveals about our unique political moment.