What really happened to Karen Reed’s boyfriend, John O’Keefe? Was Ellen Greenberg’s death truly a suicide? In this episode of Zone 7, Crime Scene Investigator, Sheryl McCollum, sits down with Nicole Angemi and Maria Kane to dissect two controversial cases that have divided public opinion. Nicole, a double board-certified pathologist assistant, and her daughter Maria, a podcaster and forensic storyteller, bring their sharp investigative minds to the table. Together, they analyze the evidence, question the science, and break down the missteps in both cases. Aside from the cases, Nicole also shares stories from her career, including some of the most bizarre things she has ever pulled from a body.

Nicole Angemi is a double board-certified pathologist assistant and creator of the Instagram-famous Mystery Mondays, Nicole educates millions on forensic science. She is also the author of Anatomy Book: A Catalog of Familiar, Rare, and Unusual Pathologies.

Listeners can learn more about Nicole Angemi on IG @Mrs_Angemi, @MotherKnowsDeath and wherever you listen to podcasts - Mother Knows Death 

Maria Q. Kane is a podcast host, producer, and writer for The Gross Room, a blog-based website that focuses on pathology, anatomy, medicine, and forensic education. After graduating from The University of the Arts, Maria used her photography degree to enter the world of fashion styling. She worked on various productions ranging from pharmaceutical advertisements to coordinating the costume department of a major motion picture.

Listeners can learn more about Maria Kane at her website on IG @mariaqkane, @MotherKnowsDeath and wherever you listen to podcasts - Mother Knows Death

Show Notes:

• (0:00) Welcome back to Zone 7 with Crime Scene Investigator, Sheryl McCollum  
• (0:30) Sheryl intoduces mother and daughter guests, Nicole Angemi and Maria Kane to Zone 7
• (2:00)  ”They are both stunning, they're young, they're hip, and they cannot be grossed out.”
• (6:00) Case study on the Karen Reed case
• (8:30) Autopsy and hypothermia analysis
• (14:30) Skull fractures and racoon eyes
• (17:00) Debate around the source of injuries 
• (22:00) Social media pressure of this case - team Karen vs. team John
• (25:30) Discussing the forensic evidence 
• (32:00) Case comparison of Ellen Greenberg
• (33:00) The knife wounds
• (36:00) Medication and mental health factors
• (45:00) The impact of poor investigation
• (56:00) Personal stories 
• (1:00:00) “Some people are chosen for unpleasant jobs.”
• (1:05:00)  ”When I see a large group of people,  I wonder, how many of them are going to require an autopsy?” - George Carlin
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Sheryl “Mac” McCollum is an Emmy Award winning CSI, a writer for CrimeOnLine, Forensic and Crime Scene Expert for Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, and a CSI for a metro Atlanta Police Department. She is the co-author of the textbook., Cold Case: Pathways to Justice. Sheryl is also the founder and director of the Cold Case Investigative Research Institute, a collaboration between universities and colleges that brings researchers, practitioners, students and the criminal justice community together to advance techniques in solving cold cases and assist families and law enforcement with solvability factors for unsolved homicides, missing persons, and kidnapping cases.  

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