Lead the People

By Matt Poepsel, PhDBusiness Entrepreneurship Management

Lead the People episodes

October 09, 2025#142: Introversion Isn’t a Barrier — It’s an Advantage with Jennifer Kahnweiler
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In this episode, bestselling author and introvert-at-work expert Jennifer Kahnweiler joins the show to reframe how we think about leadership, presence, and performance in the workplace. Drawing from her updated book The Introverted Leader and years of coaching introverted professionals, Jennifer pushes back on the extrovert-biased norms that dominate many workplaces, from meeting culture to hiring and promotion.
She makes the case for creating introvert-friendly environments, where silence isn’t mistaken for disengagement and preparation is treated as a strength. From her 4 Ps framework (Prepare, Presence, Push, Practice) to strategies for balancing team energy, Jennifer shares research-backed insights and practical tactics for managers and individual contributors alike.
Key Takeaways:
Introverts lead best when they can prepare and reflect.
Simple tools like agendas and breakouts create inclusion.
Bias, not ability, often holds introverts back.
The 4 Ps help introverts lead with confidence.
Trust starts with 1:1 connection and thoughtful design.
From Our Sponsor:
The Predictive Index (PI) is an award-winning talent optimization platform that aligns business strategy with people strategy for optimal business results. More than 60 years of proven science, software, and a curriculum of insightful management workshops make PI the solution for any company looking to design great teams and culture, make objective hiring decisions, foster engagement, and inspire greatness in their people anywhere in the world. More than 10,000 clients and 480+ partners use PI—including Nissan, Citizens Bank, Subway, Blue Cross Blue Shield, and Omni Hotels—across 90+ countries. Learn more at predictiveindex.com.
Additional Resources:
Jennifer Kahnweiler's Book: https://www.amazon.com/Introverted-Leader-3rd-Building-Strength/dp/B0DHWS7K35
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jenniferkahnweiler/
Website: https://jenniferkahnweiler.com/
Follow Matt on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattpoepsel/
Follow PeopleForward Network on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/peopleforward-network/posts/
Learn more about PeopleForward Network: http://www.peopleforwardnetwork.com/

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34 min
October 02, 2025#141: The Future of Work Isn’t Perks — It’s Purpose with Jacob Morgan
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In this episode, futurist, bestselling author, and keynote speaker Jacob Morgan joins the show to challenge today’s assumptions about employee experience. Drawing from his new book, “The 8 Laws of Employee Experience”, Jacob argues that work has drifted into entitlement culture, where accountability is low, standards are blurred, and perks have replaced purpose.
He makes the case for a reset: employee experience is not about yoga rooms or snack bars, but about the mutual exchange of value between people and organizations. From the dangers of abandoning accountability to the need for cultural clarity and resilience, Jacob shares the principles leaders must return to if they want to build future-ready companies.
Key Takeaways:
Employee experience is about mutual value exchange, not perks .
Standards, accountability, and responsibility must return to the workplace.
Perks like wellness programs can’t replace strong leadership and growth opportunities.
Culture succeeds when it has clarity and consistency, not when it tries to please everyone.
The future of work demands resilience, maturity, and purpose at the center.
From Our Sponsor:
The Predictive Index (PI) is an award-winning talent optimization platform that aligns business strategy with people strategy for optimal business results. More than 60 years of proven science, software, and a curriculum of insightful management workshops make PI the solution for any company looking to design great teams and culture, make objective hiring decisions, foster engagement, and inspire greatness in their people anywhere in the world. More than 10,000 clients and 480+ partners use PI—including Nissan, Citizens Bank, Subway, Blue Cross Blue Shield, and Omni Hotels—across 90+ countries. Learn more at predictiveindex.com.
Additional Resources:
Jacob's book The 8 Laws of Employee Experience: https://www.amazon.com/Employee-Experience-Advantage-Jacob-Morgan/dp/1394273991/
Jacob's website: https://thefutureorganization.com/
Follow Matt on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattpoepsel/
Follow PeopleForward Network on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/peopleforward-network/posts/
Learn more about PeopleForward Network: http://www.peopleforwardnetwork.com/

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34 min
September 25, 2025#140: Manage Your Time Like a Boss with Andrew Hartman
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In this episode, Andrew Hartman, founder of Time Boss, joins the show to challenge the way leaders think about time. Drawing from his own burnout and breakthrough, Andrew reveals how high-achieving professionals can reclaim control of their calendar, emotional margin, and ultimately their impact not by doing more but by leading themselves better.
He introduces a powerful reframe: stop treating time like credit and start treating it like cash. From commitment plans and chaos buffering to becoming a better boss to your future self, Andrew gives leaders a practical playbook to shift from overwhelm to sustainable, energized performance.
Key Takeaways:
Leaders must stop treating time like credit and start budgeting it like cash.
Emotional margin is created by making commitment plans not by getting to the bottom of your to-do list.
Overextending yourself doesn’t mean more results; it often leads to cognitive overload and diminished decision-making.
Delegating, deferring, and chaos-blocking are essential to managing the unpredictable nature of leadership.
You are the boss of your future self so lead accordingly and with intention.
From Our Sponsor:
The Predictive Index (PI) is an award-winning talent optimization platform that aligns business strategy with people strategy for optimal business results. More than 60 years of proven science, software, and a curriculum of insightful management workshops make PI the solution for any company looking to design great teams and culture, make objective hiring decisions, foster engagement, and inspire greatness in their people anywhere in the world. More than 10,000 clients and 480+ partners use PI—including Nissan, Citizens Bank, Subway, Blue Cross Blue Shield, and Omni Hotels—across 90+ countries. Learn more at predictiveindex.com.
Additional Resources:
Follow Andrew on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewhartman/
Follow Matt on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattpoepsel/
Follow PeopleForward Network on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/peopleforward-network/
Learn more about PeopleForward Network: http://www.peopleforwardnetwork.com/

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38 min
September 18, 2025#139: Fulfillment at Work Isn’t a Perk — It’s Your Responsibility with Matt Ley
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In this episode, Matt Ley, Co-Founder of IPN Advisors and author of Manage Your Gaps, joins the show to explore how fulfillment, energy, and effective management intersect to drive purpose and performance.
He shares how his concept of Fulfillment ROI helps leaders and teams track the energy they invest and the value they receive, revealing simple shifts that can lead to more meaningful, energized work. From his EPIC management model to redefining the difference between rock stars and rising stars, Matt offers a fresh take on what it means to lead well, stay grounded, and thrive in your role.
Key Takeaways:
Fulfillment happens when the value you get from work outweighs the energy you put in.
Tracking daily energy and value reveals patterns that affect motivation and burnout.
The EPIC model helps managers create clarity, alignment, and momentum.
Leaders should support both rising stars chasing growth and rock stars who thrive in their current role.
Management isn’t about doing more. It’s about enabling others to create more value.
From Our Sponsor:
The Predictive Index (PI) is an award-winning talent optimization platform that aligns business strategy with people strategy for optimal business results. More than 60 years of proven science, software, and a curriculum of insightful management workshops make PI the solution for any company looking to design great teams and culture, make objective hiring decisions, foster engagement, and inspire greatness in their people anywhere in the world. More than 10,000 clients and 480+ partners use PI—including Nissan, Citizens Bank, Subway, Blue Cross Blue Shield, and Omni Hotels—across 90+ countries. Learn more at predictiveindex.com.
Additional Resources:
Matt Ley | Co-Founder, IPN Advisors & Author, “Manage Your Gaps”: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattley/
https://www.ipnadvisors.com/
Follow Matt on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattpoepsel/
Follow PeopleForward Network on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/peopleforward-network/posts/?feedView=all
Learn more about PeopleForward Network: http://www.peopleforwardnetwork.com/

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34 min
September 11, 2025#138: 10 Tools of the Leadership Trade - Part 2 with Matt Poepsel
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After years of hosting this podcast and interviewing incredible leaders, I've identified the tools that solve the most common manager challenges: lack of time, uncertainty about doing things right, and feeling constantly behind.
#6: BetterUp - Develop People Proactively A scalable coaching platform that helps managers develop both themselves and their direct reports through professional coaching technology, creating accountability and boosting follow-through. https://betterup.com
#7: Ramp - Streamline Financial Management An expense management platform that automates financial tasks, saving precious leadership time by making expense tracking painless and preserving time for people-focused activities. https://ramp.com
#8: Miro - Communicate Visually An unlimited canvas collaboration tool that transforms meetings through visual brainstorming, levels the playing field for all team members, and works seamlessly across remote, hybrid, and in-person settings. https://miro.com
#9: Zapier - Automate Routine Tasks An integration platform that connects hundreds of tools, automating repetitive tasks and enabling leaders to focus on personal branding and strategic relationship building. https://zapier.com
#10: Reclaim.ai - Master Your Calendar A time management tool that syncs multiple calendars, provides productivity analytics, and transforms your calendar from foe to friend through intelligent scheduling and automated time blocking. https://reclaim.ai
Be sure to check out tools 1-5 in my last episode!
From Our Sponsor:
The Predictive Index (PI) is an award-winning talent optimization platform that aligns business strategy with people strategy for optimal business results. More than 60 years of proven science, software, and a curriculum of insightful management workshops make PI the solution for any company looking to design great teams and culture, make objective hiring decisions, foster engagement, and inspire greatness in their people anywhere in the world. More than 10,000 clients and 480+ partners use PI—including Nissan, Citizens Bank, Subway, Blue Cross Blue Shield, and Omni Hotels—across 90+ countries. Learn more at predictiveindex.com.
Additional Resources:
Follow Matt on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattpoepsel/
Follow PeopleForward Network on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/peopleforward-network/posts/?feedView=all
Learn more about PeopleForward Network: http://www.peopleforwardnetwork.com/

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25 min
September 04, 2025#137: 10 Tools of the Leadership Trade - Part 1 with Matt Poepsel
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After years of hosting this podcast and interviewing incredible leaders, I've identified the tools that solve the most common manager challenges: lack of time, uncertainty about doing things right, and feeling constantly behind.
Todoist - Master Your Time and Tasks A comprehensive task management system that transforms chaos into controlled productivity through recurring tasks, cross-device sync, and seamless calendar integration. https://todoist.com
MasterClass - Invest in Continuous Learning An online learning platform offering world-class instruction that helps leaders become well-rounded humans, not just better businesspeople. https://masterclass.com
Spring Health - Prioritize Team Mental Health A comprehensive mental health platform that enables proactive rather than reactive approaches to workplace wellbeing and team support. https://springhealth.com
Prezzee - Build a Recognition-Rich Culture A flexible employee recognition platform that converts appreciation into personalized gift cards from 360+ brands, making meaningful recognition both easy and impactful. https://prezzee.com
Canva - Create Winning Presentations A design platform that empowers leaders to become visual storytellers without requiring design skills, perfect for presentations, social media, and team communications. https://canva.com
Stay tuned for tools 6-10 in my next episode!
From Our Sponsor:
The Predictive Index (PI) is an award-winning talent optimization platform that aligns business strategy with people strategy for optimal business results. More than 60 years of proven science, software, and a curriculum of insightful management workshops make PI the solution for any company looking to design great teams and culture, make objective hiring decisions, foster engagement, and inspire greatness in their people anywhere in the world. More than 10,000 clients and 480+ partners use PI—including Nissan, Citizens Bank, Subway, Blue Cross Blue Shield, and Omni Hotels—across 90+ countries. Learn more at predictiveindex.com.
Additional Resources:
Follow Matt on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattpoepsel/
Follow PeopleForward Network on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/peopleforward-network/posts/?feedView=all
Learn more about PeopleForward Network: http://www.peopleforwardnetwork.com/

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25 min
August 28, 2025#136: Talent Optimization Isn’t HR’s Job—It’s Yours with Mike Zani
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In this episode, Mike Zani, CEO of The Predictive Index and author of The Science of Dream Teams, joins the show to break down how behavioral science can transform hiring, culture, and leadership.
From his Olympic sailing background to leading a talent optimization platform used by over 10,000 companies, Mike shares practical insights on what makes teams click and what causes them to fall apart. He explains why most hiring failures aren’t about skills, but about fit, and how leaders can use data to build trust, increase engagement, and lead more effectively.
Key Takeaways:
Most hiring mistakes are due to poor behavioral fit, not a lack of skill or experience.
Behavioral science gives leaders a data-driven edge in building and managing high-performing teams.
Understanding natural drives helps reduce friction, improve communication, and boost engagement.
Leadership development is most effective when it’s personalized and grounded in behavioral awareness.
Talent optimization is not an HR function, it’s a leadership imperative for any growth-focused organization.
From Our Sponsor:
The Predictive Index (PI) is an award-winning talent optimization platform that aligns business strategy with people strategy for optimal business results. More than 60 years of proven science, software, and a curriculum of insightful management workshops make PI the solution for any company looking to design great teams and culture, make objective hiring decisions, foster engagement, and inspire greatness in their people anywhere in the world. More than 10,000 clients and 480+ partners use PI—including Nissan, Citizens Bank, Subway, Blue Cross Blue Shield, and Omni Hotels—across 90+ countries. Learn more at predictiveindex.com.
Additional Resources:
Mike Zani | CEO, The Predictive Index & Author of “The Science of Dream Teams”:
https://www.predictiveindex.com/blog/author/mike-zani/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikezani/
Follow Matt on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattpoepsel/
Follow PeopleForward Network on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/peopleforward-network/posts/?feedView=all
Learn more about PeopleForward Network: http://www.peopleforwardnetwork.com/

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34 min
August 21, 2025135: The Real Reason Employees Stay with Matt Rieck
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In this episode, Matt Rieck, Chief Human Resources Officer at End Zone Insurance and author of The Employee Retention Bible, joins the show to share proven strategies for keeping your best people. From rethinking turnover as a natural business function to designing better company meetings and succession plans, Matt unpacks practical frameworks to reduce attrition and boost engagement. He also introduces his ABC player model and 3X concept, offering listeners a clear blueprint for cultivating high-performing, future-ready teams. Whether you’re leading a startup or a legacy enterprise, this conversation delivers actionable insights to elevate your retention game.
From Our Sponsor:
The Predictive Index (PI) is an award-winning talent optimization platform that aligns business strategy with people strategy for optimal business results. More than 60 years of proven science, software, and a curriculum of insightful management workshops make PI the solution for any company looking to design great teams and culture, make objective hiring decisions, foster engagement, and inspire greatness in their people anywhere in the world. More than 10,000 clients and 480+ partners use PI—including Nissan, Citizens Bank, Subway, Blue Cross Blue Shield, and Omni Hotels—across 90+ countries. Learn more at predictiveindex.com.
Key Takeaways:
Retention starts with clarity about purpose, path, and expectations.
Turnover can be healthy if leaders are honest about performance and potential.
Culture is a leadership responsibility, not an HR initiative.
The ABC Player model helps leaders invest time where it matters most.
Succession planning is a powerful tool for engagement and long-term growth.
Additional Resources:
Matt Rieck CHRO, Inszone Insurance & Author, The Employee Retention Bible
Follow Matt on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattpoepsel/
Follow PeopleForward Network on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/peopleforward-network/posts/?feedView=all
Learn more about PeopleForward Network: http://www.peopleforwardnetwork.com

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32 min
August 14, 2025134: Leading with Heart in a Metrics-Obsessed World with Adam Weber
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Adam Weber has helped grow organizations, lead people-first teams, and navigate the tension between humanity and performance.
In this episode of Lead The People, Adam Weber and Matt Poepsel talks about why real leadership starts with presence. They unpack the dangers of over-indexing on metrics, how burnout is often hidden in high-performers, and why leading with vulnerability isn’t a weakness — it’s the work. From building connected cultures to redefining success beyond KPIs, Adam shares what it means to create space for both results and rest.
If you’ve ever felt torn between driving outcomes and staying human, this conversation is the permission slip you didn’t know you needed.
Key Takeaways:
Real leadership starts with being present, not just being productive.
Burnout often hides in your top performers — don’t mistake output for wellbeing.
Vulnerability is a strength that builds trust and psychological safety.
Culture is created in the daily interactions, not just the big moments.
The best leaders balance being people-first and performance-driven.
From Our Sponsor:
The Predictive Index (PI) is an award-winning talent optimization platform that aligns business strategy with people strategy for optimal business results. More than 60 years of proven science, software, and a curriculum of insightful management workshops make PI the solution for any company looking to design great teams and culture, make objective hiring decisions, foster engagement, and inspire greatness in their people anywhere in the world. More than 10,000 clients and 480+ partners use PI—including Nissan, Citizens Bank, Subway, Blue Cross Blue Shield, and Omni Hotels—across 90+ countries. Learn more at predictiveindex.com.
Additional Resources:
Adam Weber Executive Coach & Author of Lead Like a Human: https://www.linkedin.com/in/meetadam
Follow Matt on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattpoepsel
Follow PeopleForward Network on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/peopleforward-network/posts/?feedView=all
Learn more about PeopleForward Network: http://www.peopleforwardnetwork.com

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37 min
August 07, 2025133: Creating Safer Workplaces Starts by Telling the Truth with Leigh Elena Henderson
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Leigh Elena Henderson spent years in corporate HR — until the system she upheld broke her down.
In this episode, Leigh shares her powerful story of leaving the corporate world behind and using her voice to expose the realities so many employees face in silence. From toxic culture to broken policies, she unpacks the tension between doing what’s “by the book” and doing what’s right. Her viral presence on TikTok isn’t about trends — it’s about truth, transparency, and reclaiming humanity at work. If you’ve ever felt like the system wasn’t built for you — or watched it fail someone you care about — this episode is for you. It’s raw, real, and a wake-up call for anyone who believes people come first.
From Our Sponsor:
The Predictive Index (PI) is an award-winning talent optimization platform that aligns business strategy with people strategy for optimal business results. More than 60 years of proven science, software, and a curriculum of insightful management workshops make PI the solution for any company looking to design great teams and culture, make objective hiring decisions, foster engagement, and inspire greatness in their people anywhere in the world. More than 10,000 clients and 480+ partners use PI—including Nissan, Citizens Bank, Subway, Blue Cross Blue Shield, and Omni Hotels—across 90+ countries. Learn more at predictiveindex.com.
Additional Resources:
Leigh Elena Henderson (aka HRManifesto) Founder and CEO of HRManifesto: https://www.linkedin.com/in/leighelena/
Follow Matt on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattpoepsel/
Follow PeopleForward Network on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/peopleforward-network/posts/?feedView=all
Learn more about PeopleForward Network: http://www.peopleforwardnetwork.com/
Key Takeaways:
HR isn’t broken because of bad policies — it’s broken because people are afraid to speak up.
Doing what’s right at work often means going against what’s written in the handbook.
Culture isn’t defined by perks — it’s revealed in how people are treated when things get hard.
Telling the truth at work can cost you your job, but staying silent can cost you your health.
Real change starts when we stop protecting systems and start protecting people.

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34 min

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Lead The People is your guide to unlocking your true potential as an authentic leader. Hosted by Dr. Matt Poepsel—The Godfather of Talent Optimization—this podcast dives deep into the art and science…