In this episode of the Lead to Soar Podcast, Michelle Redfern is joined by Dr Jen Frahm, a global authority on organisational change, transformation, and executive leadership.
Together, they examine the difference between managing change and being a change leader. This is not a technical conversation about frameworks or spreadsheets. It is about how leaders think, behave, and respond when uncertainty, resistance, and disruption are present.
The discussion explores:
Why leading change is inseparable from emotional intelligence
How curiosity and inquiry shape better leadership decisions during change
Why data alone is insufficient, and what leaders must notice about human and bodily responses to change
The internal shifts leaders must make to sustain meaningful outcomes over time
Dr Frahm brings decades of experience designing and leading change across industries, sectors, and cultures, and challenges leaders to confront the personal work required if they expect others to adapt.
This episode is for leaders responsible for people, performance, and outcomes in environments where change is constant, and leadership behaviour matters more than process.
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