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  • He has been publishing the Email Players since 2011
  • Got into direct marketing/copywriting in 2002
  • He stumbled into it when the world was quite different
  • He found a Yahoo Group with a bunch of old-school marketers
  • It was run by Perry Marshall, and it was about Dan Kennedy
  • John Carlton was in there
  • Paul Hartunian was in there, and he had a detailed debate with an internet marketing guy
    • Paul argued that mail would never go away
    • Ben wanted to have a physical newsletter, and now he does
    • Send Free was a free autoresponder back in the day
    • They put you on a list called the “Send Free Roundtable.”
    • It was great for newbies
    • Ben dabbled in MLM
    • Gary Halbert wrote a letter called “Why network marketing sucks”
    • Ben sent a cold offer to the roundtable list to write for free but get 5% of their sales…he didn’t get paid, but he learned and had work product to show to land new customers
    • Now you have access to traffic and leads via social media and you can drive traffic
    • Be your own customer first
    • Find a market and find an offer to sell yourself first, then you won’t be needy so you’ll land bigger deals, easier
    • To get started, start asking for referrals
    • Dan Kennedy calls them “upstream leads” when word-of-mouth finds you
    • “I’m reassuringly expensive.”
    • “Close first, then present.”
    • Money makes life easier
    • He started with a cheaper, more generic newsletter at first
    • He launched with three issues and people bought
    • In 2011, $97/mo was “expensive” for a newsletter
    • Each issue is 15-20 pages at least or more
    • Once he has enough issues on a similar topic, he’ll compile them into a book
    • Writes three months in advance…all evergreen
    • As you look at the same content when you’re older, you see it in a new light
    • He has no real competition…no nemesis…he’s solid
    • He says now is the worst time to sell anything in print due to inflation
    • He won’t mail to some countries due to fees
    • FedEx is a pain
    • It’s a crapshoot to mail internationally with the USPS
    • Berserker Mail
    • Social Lair
    • Backstory (on screenwriters)
    • Reads a lot of biographies
    • Likes Arnold’s new book
    • Not a big self-help guy
    • Stallone’s book was good, too
    • “Conquistador” about Cortez on how he bluffed
    • The FDR biography was good…saw how he dealt with trolls
    • It’s good to have competitors


    Connect With Ben Settle

    • Guest Site: https://bensettle.com/
    • Guest Site: https://berserkermail.com/
    • Guest YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@berserkermail 
    • Guest Twitter: https://x.com/BerserkerMail
    • Guest Twitter: https://x.com/elBenb0
    • Guest Podcast: https://berserkermail.com/podcast


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