In July this year we spoke with Jonathan Sumption, and we catch up with him again during his trip to New Zealand.

In the interim there has been a lot of change that is worthy of his opinion - the Hamas attack, Israel’s response, and the associated reactions provide a hornet’s nest of issues.

We communicate with Patrick Basham in Riyadh, attending the Future Investment Initiative, also known as “Davos of the Desert”.

The consensus of the 6000 attendees is that the FII serves the planet far better than Davos in the Alps.

So it’s a lengthy podcast with Sumption up first and Patrick at around the 30 minute mark

And, of course, we finish with The Mailroom with Mrs Producer.

And we make a visit to The Mailroom with Mrs Producer.

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