Labor MP Linda Burney is a fascinating blend of realist and optimist.

She’s pragmatic but she dares to dream of a kinder, fairer Australia.

In this episode, Leila McKinnon speaks to the Shadow Minister about her past and her dreams for the future – for herself, and for the nation.

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2. Guest: Linda Burney, Shadow Minister for Families and Social Services and for Preventing Family Violence

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