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In this episode of The Mailbox Money Show, host Bronson Hill and co-host Nate Hambrick dive into one of the most unique—and overlooked—real estate asset classes in the U.S.: marinas. With over 10,000 marinas nationwide and less than 5% consolidated by major operators, this niche offers remarkable opportunities for passive investors seeking strong cash flow, high occupancy, and compelling returns.

Joining the show is Josh Conley, COO of New Haven Marinas. Coming from a successful background in oil and gas, Josh now leads operations in a rapidly expanding marina portfolio backed by private equity partners. He grew up around marinas, understands the culture, and now helps investors access an asset class that behaves like “multifamily on the water”—with year-round demand, surprisingly low turnover, and impressive IRRs.

Josh shares what makes marina investing so attractive, how it compares to more traditional real estate categories, what risks operators must navigate, and why this sector is poised for significant consolidation and growth.

If you're curious about alternative real estate opportunities, want to understand the economics of marinas, or are looking for ways to diversify beyond multifamily and self-storage, this conversation opens the door to a whole new world of mailbox money.

TIMESTAMPS

00:42 – Season 4 kickoff of the Mailbox Money Show

01:16 – Buying insurance contracts as an investment

02:38 – Guest Intro: Josh Conley

03:36 – Leaving corporate after repeated layoffs

04:41 – How Josh entered the oil & gas world

05:54 – Transition from oil & gas to buying marinas

07:18 – Marinas as “multifamily on the water”

08:31 – U.S. marina fragmentation: only 5% consolidated

09:28 – Typical slip sizes, occupancy, and pricing

10:21 – Evictions and turnover dynamics in marinas

12:40 – Why marinas maintain near-100% occupancy

13:37 – Underpriced, mom-and-pop marina opportunities

16:59 – Typical marina deal structure and leverage

17:40 – Cap rates: marinas vs multifamily

18:44 – Target returns: 30%+ IRR

18:56 – Major risks: weather, flooding, drought

22:41 – Marina revenue mix: slips + ancillaries

24:36 – Private equity entering the marina space

27:39 – Comparing marinas to other niche asset classes

33:38 – How to connect with Josh and New Haven Marinas

35:03 – Why investors should learn the marina space now

36:50 – Final takeaways on high-cash-flow marinas

Connect with the Guest:

Website: newhavenmarinas.com

#MarinaInvesting

#AlternativeAssets

#CommercialRealEstate

#RealEstateInvesting

#CashFlowStrategies

#PassiveIncome

#MarinaOperations

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Welcome to our latest episode!

Join Bronson today for an episode with Denis Shapiro, author of The Alternative Investment Almanac and Managing Partner of SIH Capital Group. Denis dives into his evolution from government work to real estate syndication, spotlighting niches like LIHTC affordable housing and Jersey Shore boutique hotels. Explore market timing for 2025 acquisitions, contrarian strategies amid cooling multifamily sentiment, and offbeat personal plays like litigation finance—all geared toward passive investors chasing cash flow, appreciation, and tax perks.

Unpack why niches beat broad plays, how lower LTVs and refi-friendly loans create windfalls, and tips for vetting operators while balancing life stability.

TIMESTAMPS

0:41 — Guest Intro: Denis Shapiro

1:23 — From Government to Investing: Early Days & Syndication Pivot

3:46 — Progression: LP to JV to Operator

7:14 — Re-Engaging the Entrepreneur Bug in Real Estate

7:56 — What Makes a Great Operator: Stability, Time, & Team Structure

10:17 — Vetting Operators as a Passive Investor

11:03 — Shift to Affordable Housing & Hospitality

12:45 — LIHTC Properties: Low-Income Tax Credits Explained

14:28 — Niches Like Tax Abatements & Grants

15:39 — Riches in the Niches: Learning Curve in Affordable Housing

16:37 — Hospitality Opportunities: Jersey Shore Turnarounds

17:55 — Boutique Hotels: Location Over Room Count

19:02 — Seller-Financed Deals & Family Legacies

20:25 — Contrarian Investing: Greedy When Others Are Fearful

21:28 — 2025 Outlook: Lower Rates, Better Pipelines

23:48 — Loan Structures: 3-2-1 Prepayments & Refi Goldilocks

25:27 — Low LTVs: Margin of Safety for LPs

27:17 — Ideal Setup for Multifamily Windfalls

28:11 — Exciting Side Plays: Turnkey Multis & Litigation Finance

30:08 — Personal Investments: Sports Ownership & Marinas

32:07 — Where to Follow Denis

Book: "The Alternative Investment Almanac by Denis Shapiro"

Email: [email protected]

Website: https://sihcapitalgroup.com/

X: https://x.com/sihcapital?lang=en

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sihcapitalgroup/?hl=en

Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/denisshapiro

#AlternativeInvesting

#AffordableHousing

#HospitalityRealEstate

#RealEstateSyndication

#LIHTC

#ContrarianInvesting

#PassiveIncome

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Welcome to our latest episode!

Join Bronson today for an episode with Brian Burke, author of The Hands-Off Investor and founder of PraxCap. Brian shares his journey from house flipping to syndicating 10,000+ multifamily units, selling his portfolio in 2019-2020 to avoid market resets. Learn how he shifted to senior housing (assisted living, skilled nursing) amid demographic tailwinds, acquiring 19 properties for $150M in two years.

Discover key advice for passive investors: prioritize operators over deals, vet via track records and networks, and embrace work-life balance.

ANCHOR TIMESTAMPS

0:40 — Guest Intro: Brian Burke

1:22 — Work-Life Balance in Real Estate

2:02 — Seasons of Work & Travel

3:05 — Scaling & Exiting Multifamily

4:18 — Calling Market Cycles

5:18 — Lessons from 2008 Crisis

6:15 — “Sit on the Beach” Strategy

6:41 — Pivot to Senior Living

7:43 — Medium-Size Portfolio Acquisitions

8:32 — Buying vs. Building Economics

9:06 — Demand & Waitlists in Senior Care

9:57 — Cap Rates: Senior Living vs. Multifamily

10:48 — Demographic Tailwinds: Silver Tsunami

12:43 — Multifamily Headwinds vs. Senior Housing Tailwinds

13:48 — Biggest Mistake Passive Investors Make

19:35 — Market Evaluation Strategy

22:19 — Operator Quality = Deal Quality

23:01 — Work-Life & Long-Term Success Advice

25:28 — Where to Follow Brian

26:00 — Closing & Investor Learning Mindset

Connect with the Guest:

Website: https://praxcap.com/

The Hands-Off Investor (Book): http://biggerpockets.com/syndicationbook

Instagram: @investorbrianburke

Hashtags related to the episode:

#PassiveInvesting

#MultifamilySyndication

#SeniorHousing

#RealEstate

#HandsOffInvestor

#WorkLifeBalance

#WealthBuilding

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Welcome to our latest episode!

Join Bronson and Nate for another episode with Tyler Vinson, CEO of RETokens, a FINRA-licensed platform revolutionizing real estate through tokenization. Tyler explains how digitizing ownership unlocks liquidity for illiquid assets like syndications, enabling easy buying/selling via blockchain. Discover Rule 144 exemptions for secondary markets, Reg A+ Tier 2 for non-accredited access, and Q4 2025 launches reducing paperwork and enabling DeFi loans against tokens.

Learn how tokenization scales syndicators' brands, attracts thousands of investors, and cuts flipping costs—potentially boosting multiples without selling assets.

TIMESTAMPS

00:41 - Intro: Liquidity challenges in real estate

01:28 - Tyler Vinson: CEO of RETokens, FINRA-licensed broker-dealer

03:00 - Tokenization basics: Digitizing ownership for liquidity

04:38 - Benefits: Compliance efficiency, non-accredited access

06:47 - Regulatory exemptions: Reg D 506(c), Rule 144 (12-month lockup)

08:15 - Reg A+ Tier 2: Direct ATS listing, no lockup

10:00 - Q4 2025 launch: Secondary marketplace with order book trading

12:10 - Future: DeFi loans against tokens, AI for investor service

13:38 - Changes: Scalable branding, thousands of investors, less waste

16:19 - Challenges: Education, adoption curve, compliance

17:54 - Connect with Tyler: Free guide at retokens.com

Connect with the Guest:

Tokenization Guide: retokens.com

Youtube: @retokens

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/retokens/

LinkedIn (Tyler Vinson): https://www.linkedin.com/in/realestateinvestment/

#RealEstateTokenization

#PassiveInvesting

#Liquidity

#BlockchainRealEstate

#DeFiLoans

#Syndication

#WealthBuilding

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Welcome to our latest episode!

In this episode, Bronson and Nate sit down with Ashley Wilson, CEO of Bar Down Investments and author of The Only Woman in the Room. Ashley shares her insights on today’s real estate market, why 2026 could be a turning point, and how she’s helping lead the next generation of women in investing. They also talk about teachability, long-term thinking, and the importance of aligning with ethical partners.

💡 About the Guest:

Ashley Wilson is a seasoned multifamily investor, operator, and developer who has managed over $150 million in transactions. She’s passionate about transparency, ethics, and empowering women in real estate leadership.

00:41 – Guest Introduction: Ashley Wilson

01:28 – Nate on leverage and how investors can use it beyond real estate

02:24 – Ashley Wilson joins: insights on the state of the multifamily market

03:00 – How rate hikes and delayed cap rate effects changed valuations

05:56 – The tight money environment and cautious optimism for 2026

07:00 – Positioning for recovery: why development may be the smart play

09:29 – Investor sentiment, capital calls, and re-educating investors

12:24 – Multifamily fundamentals vs. short-term flipping mindsets

13:45 – Ashley’s take on where returns are headed long term

14:40 – Tech, modular housing, and innovations shaping real estate

16:20 – Leveraging assets like books, speaking, and social media

19:00 – Authenticity, transparency, and investor communication

22:36 – The human side of partnerships and moral alignment

25:36 – Why curiosity and intellectual challenge matter in multifamily

28:39 – Empowering women in real estate and raising confident daughters

30:42 – The role of male allies and healthy conflict resolution

34:33 – Teaching accessibility, failure, and lifelong learning

38:21 – Ashley’s favorite reads, mentors, and people to follow

39:34 – How she continues to improve and lead with communication

42:08 – The decision to stop distributions early and protect investors

45:01 – Bronson and Nate’s takeaways

Connect with the Guest:

Website: https://www.badashinvestor.com/

Linktree: https://linktr.ee/BadAshInvestor

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/BadAshInvestor/

Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-wyOMIsiRnIgaOXuoDDiBg

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#MindsetShift

#MastermindMagic

#InfiniteGrowth

#WealthMindset

#FindYourPurpose

#CoachingJourney

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Welcome to our latest episode!

Join Bronson and Nate as they sit down with J Scott — serial entrepreneur, BiggerPockets podcast co-host, and author of five bestselling real estate books including The Book on Estimating Rehab Costs. J has sold over 500,000 copies of his books and brings decades of experience across single-family, multifamily, and development.

In this episode, J unpacks how curiosity, humility, and economic awareness shape successful investing. From learning construction by asking “dumb” questions to his current outlook on inflation, debt, and development, J shares timeless principles on how to stay adaptable and grounded — in both money and life.

TIMESTAMPS

00:41 - Intro

01:28 - Nate’s story: Learning from a $100K renovation mistake

02:24 - J’s engineer mindset and how he learned to estimate rehab costs

03:54 - The power of asking questions

06:26 - Bronson and Nate on teachability and humility in investing

07:19 - The 18 Laws of Leverage and learning from others

08:36 - J’s market outlook: inflation, cap rates, and rent growth

11:31 - How inflation affects underwriting and long-term real estate values

14:41 - Opportunities in development amid reduced housing supply

16:44 - Rethinking debt and leverage in today’s market

19:04 - Why it’s harder to raise capital now — and why that’s opportunity

20:07 - Psychology of investing: Why people avoid buying at the bottom

21:55 - Multifamily outlook: why now might be one of the best times to buy

23:24 - Beyond multifamily: asset classes J is (and isn’t) bullish on

26:02 - What J believes about money that others think is crazy

28:20 - “Money is like soap” — why patience builds real wealth

28:50 - What’s more important than money — responding to tragedy with purpose

31:51 - Refocusing on what truly matters in life and investing

33:45 - How to connect with J Scott

34:07 - Takeaways from Nate and Bronson

Connect with the Guest:

Website: JScott.com

#RealEstateInvesting

#MailboxMoneyShow

#WealthBuilding

#PassiveIncome

#EntrepreneurMindset

#InflationInvesting

#FinancialFreedom

#PersonalGrowth

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Welcome to our latest episode!

Join Bronson and guest Rodric Lenhart, serial entrepreneur, author of The Million-Dollar Flip Flops, and founder of Send a Student Leader Abroad. Rodric shares his journey from hustling as a kid to exiting multiple businesses by 42, including real estate development and construction. Learn how to build an authentic life of purpose, overcome setbacks (losing his first million by 28), and leverage the WAVES method (Why, Authenticity, Values, Exploration, Statement) for decision-making.

Discover the power of serving others, betting on yourself, and creating a legacy through entrepreneurship and global impact.

TIMESTAMPS

00:42 - Intro: Rodric Lenhart, serial entrepreneur and author

01:28 - Rodric’s background: Lifelong hustler to real estate developer

01:58 - Early entrepreneurship: Collecting golf balls and starting businesses college

02:56 - 25 years in real estate: Development, construction, and exits

03:47 - "Retiring" at 42: Writing Million-Dollar Flip Flops on a Thailand beach

03:59 - Mindset shift: Giving back through Send a Student Leader Abroad

05:16 - Overcoming setbacks: Losing first million by 28, rebuilding by 30

07:00 - WAVES method: Why, Authenticity, Values, Exploration, Statement

09:51 - Serving others: How to serve without expecting returns

11:16 - Building teams: A-players vs. B-players in business

13:44 - Commitment: Betting on yourself and persistence

15:28 - Legacy: From personal wealth to global impact

16:48 - New book: The Magnet, Method, and Machine (September 23, 2025)

17:54 - Connect with Rodric: Coaching, books, and foundation

Connect with the Guest:

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rodriclenhart/

Instagram: @rodriclenhart

Website: https://milliondollarflipflops.com/

#EntrepreneurMindset

#WealthBuilding

#PersonalGrowth

#BusinessExits

#LegacyGiving

#AuthenticLiving

#PassiveIncome

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Welcome to our latest episode!

Join Bronson in exploring how mindset shapes wealth-building for passive investors.

Christina Suter, real estate mentor and founder of Christina Sudtor Wealth Consulting, emphasizes mindset alongside high-net-worth investing strategies.

Dr. Tom Burns, founder of Rich Life Capital, transitioned from physician to investor, leveraging real estate and delegation for financial freedom.

Discover how to unlearn limiting beliefs like “rich people are greedy,” embrace stewardship, and use debt strategically in real estate to build wealth. Learn from failures, stay calm during market cycles, and commit to a life of abundance.

TIMESTAMPS

01:35 - Panel introductions: Christina Suter and Dr. Tom Burns

03:50 - Tom on unlearning the belief that working harder equals more wealth

05:33 - Christina on unlearning the wait for wealth to live freely

10:28 - Poll: Limiting beliefs

12:52 - Tom on staying calm with perspective and gratitude during market uncertainty

14:50 - Christina on managing cycles with stewardship and diversification

20:16 - Christina on avoiding fear-based or greed-driven financial advice

24:18 - Tom on escaping the time-for-money trap through compounding

33:08 - Christina on 2009 portfolio loss and rediscovering self-respect

36:40 - Tom on learning from naivety to improve due diligence

41:43 - Q&A: Rebuilding trust after a deal fails

47:08 - Christina on debt as a safer position in real estate

48:25 - Tom on building wealth in five years with education and mentorship

55:49 - Closing: How to connect with the panelists

Connect with the Guests:

Dr. Tom Burns:

Website: www.richdoctor.com

Email: [email protected]

Christina Suter:

Email: [email protected]

Free giveaway: www.christinasuter.com

Phone: 301-463-5942

#MindsetMatters

#WealthBuilding

#RealEstateInvesting

#PassiveIncome

#FinancialFreedom

#MoneyMindset

#InvestingStrategies

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Welcome to our latest episode!

Join host Bronson Hill in this webinar featuring experts sharing contrarian strategies for passive investors navigating economic shifts.

Brien Lundin, editor of Gold Newsletter and director of the New Orleans Investment Conference, offers insights into gold and silver markets.

David Morgan, author and founder of The Morgan Report, specializes in precious metals and rare earth elements.

Russell Gray, founder of Raising Capitalist Foundation and former host of The Real Estate Guys Radio, blends real estate and metals expertise.

Explore why gold is a safe haven amid tariff-driven market volatility, learn to allocate precious metals for liquidity and insurance, and discover contrarian opportunities in mining stocks, real estate, and essential assets.

TIMESTAMPS

00:00 - Wealth Forum Live (September 25-26, 2025, Dallas)

01:35 - Panel introductions: Brien Lunden, David Morgan, Russell Gray

03:16 - David on contrarian investing: The lone wolf theory

10:45 - David on tariffs unsettling bond markets and driving gold demand

21:22 - Brian’s chart: Gold as a safe haven amid dollar and treasury shifts

24:39 - David on physical metals as a foundation before mining stocks

27:06 - Russ on using gold as collateral for liquidity, not selling

34:36 - David on rare earth elements and China’s supply dominance

43:32 - Russ on investing in essential assets like housing and energy

46:05 - Brian on speculative mining stocks with undervalued resources

50:17 - Brian on silver supply constraints for industrial use

57:30 - Closing: How to connect with panelists

Connect with the Guest:

Brien Lundin:

Website: https://goldnewsletter.com/

https://neworleansconference.com/

Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brien-lundin-b37a4819/

X: : https://twitter.com/GoldNewsletter

Russell Gray:

Show: https://mainstreetcapitalist.com/

Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/russellwgray/

Email: [email protected]

David Morgan:

Website: https://silversunrise.tv/

Website: https://www.themorganreport.com/

Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thedavidmorgan/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheMorganReport

#PreciousMetals

#GoldInvesting

#SilverInvesting

#ContrarianInvesting

#PassiveIncome

#RealEstate

#EconomicOutlook

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Welcome to our latest episode!

Join Bronson and the Cash Flow First Investment Expert Panel:

Patrick Grimes, founder of Passive Investing Mastery and Invest on Main Street, specializes in recession-resilient cash flow investments like private credit and litigation finance.

Courtney Moeller, founder of EMPR Investment Group, focuses on oil and gas, private lending, and business acquisitions, emphasizing diversification.

Denis Shapiro, author of The Alternative Investment Almanac and founder of SIH Capital Group, targets affordable housing and hospitality for stable cash flow.

Sarah Sullivan, founder of Sugo Capital, explores high-return opportunities like lending to e-commerce businesses while prioritizing investor goals.

Discover why cash flow is king for replacing income, explore alternative assets like oil and gas, affordable housing, private lending, and e-commerce, and learn to navigate risks in multifamily real estate.

TIMESTAMPS

00:00 - Wealth Forum Live (September 25-26, 2025, Dallas)

01:26 - Why cash flow matters for financial freedom

02:36 - Poll: What’s your primary investment goal?

02:47 - Panel introductions: Patrick Grimes, Courtney Moeller, Denis Shapiro, Sarah Sullivan

04:03 - Why cash flow is key: Courtney on covering bills, Denis on the holy grail

06:14 - Patrick on recession-resilient cash flow and private credit

07:54 - Sarah on prioritizing appreciation over cash flow for tax benefits

09:25 - Poll: What’s your primary investment goal?

10:39 - Favorite assets

13:58 - Patrick on commercial real estate and litigation finance

15:59 - Sarah on lending to e-commerce businesses

19:08 - Poll: Most reliable cash flow asset

19:49 - Multifamily challenges: Courtney on institutionalization, Sarah on distressed buys

23:51 - Poll: Biggest concern about cash flow investing

24:04 - Patrick on multifamily struggles: interest rates, COVID, insurance costs

27:14 - Denis on affordable housing opportunities

30:16 - Contrarian investing: Buying out-of-favor assets

31:56 - Sarah on the guru effect oversaturating multifamily

36:46 - Poll: Cash flow focus

40:24 - Poll: Where to deploy $500k?

41:36 - Q&A: Cash calls in syndications

43:37 - Q&A: Alternatives to holding cash

49:04 - Courtney on building business credit for liquidity

56:37 - Closing | How to connect with the panelists

Connect with the Guests:

Courtney Moeller:

Website: courtneymoeller.com

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/csmoeller/

Oil & Gas Report: http://oilandgasreport.net/

Denis Shapiro:

Email: [email protected]

Website: https://sihcapitalgroup.com/

X: https://x.com/sihcapital?lang=en

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sihcapitalgroup/?hl=en

Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/denisshapiro

Patrick Grimes:

Book: https://passiveinvestingmastery.com/book

Website: https://passiveinvestingmastery.com/

Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/patricksgrimes/

Email: [email protected]

Sarah Sullivan:

Website: https://theconfidentinvestorsummit.com/freedom-in-3-recurring-live/

#CashFlowInvesting

#PassiveIncome

#AlternativeInvestments

#RealEstate

#OilAndGas

#PrivateLending

#FinancialFreedom