How a fresh understanding of the biblical story can reshape your faith, purpose, and view of salvation. Mike Erre and Tim Stafford kick off a new three-part arc in the Exile Series that confronts the traditional evangelical narrative of heaven and hell. Instead, they reframe the story through the lens of what the Bible actually centers on — the creation, rupture, and reunification of heaven and earth. If you’ve ever felt unsettled by the “turn or burn” gospel or the idea of escaping the earth to live in the clouds forever, this honest and mind-opening discussion will help you rediscover the beauty and scope of what God is doing in the world.

Key Takeaways: • Heaven and Earth, Not Heaven vs. Hell – The real biblical narrative revolves around God creating, repairing, and renewing heaven and earth together, not separating people between two eternal destinations after death. • New Creation Starts Now – Jesus, as the first fruit of new creation, invites us into a life of embodied resurrection where heaven begins breaking into earth right now. • Rethinking Hell – Hell is not central to the story or used to coerce belief. Instead, it may represent the space outside of God’s coming new world, not a pit of torture. • Salvation Is Bigger – Rather than saving individual souls for heaven, the gospel is about God rescuing and restoring humanity to pick up their cosmic vocation as image-bearers and caretakers of creation. • The Church's True Role – Rather than providing an escape or moral policing, the church is meant to be a practicing ground of new creation: a community where justice, grace, and healing reign.

Resources Mentioned: • Surprised By Hope by N.T. Wright – [Link] • Skeletons in God’s Closet by Joshua Ryan Butler – [Link] • The Patient Ferment of the Early Church by Alan Kreider – [Link] • Timothy Gombis – Faith Improvised Podcast • Michael Gorman and Scott McKnight – (Referenced authors on New Testament theology) • Ephesians 2 & Romans 1 – Biblical reflections on sin, community, and vocation • Ellen’s Extended Email Segment – Referenced listener engagement that sparked deeper discussion

Join us next time as we pick up with Part 2 in this arc, exploring the theme of Judgment — its biblical purpose, misunderstood imagery, and how it connects to telling the truth about the world before restoration can begin.

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