Singer/songwriter Perfume Genius — aka Mike Hadreas — and playwright Jeremy O. Harris (Slave Play) are each boundary-shattering artists. Their takes on queer sexuality, trauma, and, in Jeremy's case, race have seen them deified in their respective fields. They're also massive fans of one another's work, and while the two have been "internet friends" for a while, we were truly thrilled to pair them for their first-ever conversation right here on the Talkhouse Podcast.

In this insightful discussion, they share their artistic processes, including consciously pushing boundaries and avoiding comfort zones by showing the world one’s metaphorical — and literal — asshole. They also share deets on the amazing celebs Mike has written with, and who Jeremy is getting ready to work with.

Check it out, and subscribe now to stay in the loop on future episodes of the Talkhouse Podcast, including Bob Mould with Bully‘s Alicia Bognanno, Deerhoof with Wadada Leo Smith, and Mac DeMarco with Dayglow.

—Elia Einhorn, Talkhouse Podcast host and producer

For this week’s episode, everyone you hear recorded themself. Our producer is Mark Yoshizumi.

The Talkhouse Podcast theme song was composed and performed by The Range.

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