Mind Over Murder

Mind Over Murder

By William F. Thomas and Kristin M. DilleyTrue Crime
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  • NEW: Human Trafficking with Jerome Elam
    Join "Mind Over Murder" co-hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley as they interview Jerome Elam, expert on human trafficking and chairman of the Trafficking in America Task Force.  Learn how kids, young people and adults are trafficked and how they are drawn into this sordid multimillion dollar business where humans are traded for sex, drugs, money, and even human organs.

    Trafficking in America Task Force:

    https://traffickinginamericataskforce.org/

    National Human Trafficking Hotline:  800-373-7888

    National Center for Missing and Exploited Children: 800-843-5678

    American Detective TV series: Colonial Parkway Murders:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp3rNRZnL0E

    Washingtonian: A Murder on the Rappahannock River:

    https://www.washingtonian.com/2019/06/27/murder-on-the-rappahannock-river-emerson-stevens-mary-harding-innocence-project/

    WTKR News 3: One year after development in Colonial Parkway Murders, where do things stand?

    https://www.wtkr.com/news/in-the-community/historic-triangle/one-year-after-development-in-colonial-parkway-murders-where-do-things-stand

    Won't you help the Mind Over Murder podcast increase our visibility and shine the spotlight on the "Colonial Parkway Murders" and other unsolved cases? Contribute any amount you can here:

    https://www.gofundme.com/f/mind-over-murder-podcast-expenses?utm_campaign=p_lico+share-sheet&utm_medium=copy_link&utm_source=customer

    WTVR CBS News:  Colonial Parkway murders victims' families keep hope cases will be solved:

    https://www.wtvr.com/news/local-news/colonial-parkway-murders-update-april-19-2024

    WAVY TV 10 News:  New questions raised in Colonial Parkway murders:

    https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/new-questions-raised-in-colonial-parkway-murders/

    Alan Wade Wilmer, Sr. has been named as the killer of Robin Edwards and David Knobling in the Colonial Parkway Murders in September 1987, as well as the murderer of Teresa Howell in June 1989. He has also been linked to the April 1988 disappearance and likely murder of Keith Call and Cassandra Hailey, another pair in the Colonial Parkway Murders.

    13News Now investigates: A serial killer's DNA will not be entered into CODIS database:

    https://www.13newsnow.com/video/news/local/13news-now-investigates/291-e82a9e0b-38e3-4f95-982a-40e960a71e49

    WAVY TV 10 on the Colonial Parkway Murders Announcement with photos:

    https://www.wavy.com/news/crime/deceased-man-identified-as-suspect-in-decades-old-homicides/

    WTKR News 3

    https://www.wtkr.com/news/is-man-linked-to-one-of-the-colonial-parkway-murders-connected-to-the-other-cases

    Virginian Pilot: Who was Alan Wade Wilmer Sr.? Man suspected in two ‘Colonial Parkway’ murders died alone in 2017

    https://www.pilotonline.com/2024/01/14/who-was-alan-wade-wilmer-sr-man-suspected-in-colonial-parkway-murders-died-alone-in-2017/

    Colonial Parkway Murders Facebook page with more than 18,000 followers: https://www.facebook.com/ColonialParkwayCase

    You can also participate in an in-depth discussion of the Colonial Parkway Murders here:
    https://earonsgsk.proboards.com/board/50/colonial-parkway-murders

    Mind Over Murder is proud to be a Spreaker Prime Podcaster:

    https://www.spreaker.com

    Join the discussion on our Mind Over Murder

    Colonial Parkway Murders website: https://colonialparkwaymurders.com

    Mind Over Murder Podcast website: https://mindovermurderpodcast.com

    Please subscribe and rate us at your favorite podcast sites. Ratings and reviews are very important. Please share and tell your friends!

    We launch a new episode of "Mind Over Murder" every Monday morning, and a bonus episode every Thursday morning.

    Sponsors: Othram and DNAsolves.com

    Contribute Your DNA to help solve cases: https://dnasolves.com/user/register

    Follow "Mind Over Murder" on Twitter: https://twitter.com/MurderOver

    Follow Bill Thomas on Twitter: https://twitter.com/BillThomas56

    Follow "Colonial Parkway Murders" on Facebook:
    https://www.facebook.com/ColonialParkwayCase/

    Follow us on InstaGram:: https://www.instagram.com/colonialparkwaymurders/

    Check out the entire Crawlspace Media network at http://crawlspace-media.com/

    All rights reserved. Mind Over Murder, Copyright Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley,
    Another Dog Productions/Absolute Zero Productions

    Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/mind-over-murder--4847179/support.
    52 min
  • BONUS: The D B Cooper Vortex (Part 4)
    "Mind Over Murder" hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley discuss the mysterious case of D B Cooper with Darren Schaefer, the host of "The Cooper Vortex" podcast.  Dan "DB" Cooper, who successfully hijacked a Northwest Airlines passenger jet and parachuted into the dense forest of the Pacific Northwest. He was never caught, although a small amount of the $200,000 ransom was later recovered. This bonus episode is Part 4 of 4 parts on the Dan "DB" Cooper case, and originally ran on June 16, 2025.

    The Cooper Vortex Podcast: 
    https://thecoopervortex.podbean.com/

    October 2023 Popular Mechanics article--Newcomb:
    https://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/airlines/a43298881/db-cooper-case-could-be-
    solved-dna/

    October 2023 Popular Mechanics article—Natale:
    https://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/a45639586/who-was-db-cooper/

    January 2024 Popular Mechanics article:
    https://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/a46332899/new-evidence-db-cooper-mystery/

    February 2024 Popular Mechanics article:
    https://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/a46788110/db-cooper-confession-new-
    evidence-identity/

    History.Com: https://www.history.com/articles/who-was-d-b-cooper

    FBI.GOV: https://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-cases/db-cooper-hijacking

    September 2011 NPR: All Things Considered interview:
    https://www.npr.org/2011/09/25/140216653/skyjack-the-unsolved-case-of-d-b-coopers-
    escape

    DB Cooper: https://dbcooperhijack.com/2019/01/04/d-b-cooper-cary-grant-and-the-
    1959-film-north-by-northwest/

    WTKR News 3: One year after development in Colonial Parkway Murders, where do things stand?

    https://www.wtkr.com/news/in-the-community/historic-triangle/one-year-after-development-in-colonial-parkway-murders-where-do-things-stand

    Won't you help the Mind Over Murder podcast increase our visibility and shine the spotlight on the "Colonial Parkway Murders" and other unsolved cases? Contribute any amount you can here:

    https://www.gofundme.com/f/mind-over-murder-podcast-expenses?utm_campaign=p_lico+share-sheet&utm_medium=copy_link&utm_source=customer

    WTVR CBS News:  Colonial Parkway murders victims' families keep hope cases will be solved:

    https://www.wtvr.com/news/local-news/colonial-parkway-murders-update-april-19-2024

    WAVY TV 10 News:  New questions raised in Colonial Parkway murders:

    https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/new-questions-raised-in-colonial-parkway-murders/

    Alan Wade Wilmer, Sr. has been named as the killer of Robin Edwards and David Knobling in the Colonial Parkway Murders in September 1987, as well as the murderer of Teresa Howell in June 1989. He has also been linked to the April 1988 disappearance and likely murder of Keith Call and Cassandra Hailey, another pair in the Colonial Parkway Murders.

    13News Now investigates: A serial killer's DNA will not be entered into CODIS database:

    https://www.13newsnow.com/video/news/local/13news-now-investigates/291-e82a9e0b-38e3-4f95-982a-40e960a71e49

    WAVY TV 10 on the Colonial Parkway Murders Announcement with photos:

    https://www.wavy.com/news/crime/deceased-man-identified-as-suspect-in-decades-old-homicides/

    WTKR News 3

    https://www.wtkr.com/news/is-man-linked-to-one-of-the-colonial-parkway-murders-connected-to-the-other-cases

    Virginian Pilot: Who was Alan Wade Wilmer Sr.? Man suspected in two ‘Colonial Parkway’ murders died alone in 2017

    https://www.pilotonline.com/2024/01/14/who-was-alan-wade-wilmer-sr-man-suspected-in-colonial-parkway-murders-died-alone-in-2017/

    Colonial Parkway Murders Facebook page with more than 18,000 followers: https://www.facebook.com/ColonialParkwayCase

    You can also participate in an in-depth discussion of the Colonial Parkway Murders here:
    https://earonsgsk.proboards.com/board/50/colonial-parkway-murders

    Mind Over Murder is proud to be a Spreaker Prime Podcaster:

    https://www.spreaker.com

    Join the discussion on our Mind Over Murder

    Colonial Parkway Murders website: https://colonialparkwaymurders.com

    Mind Over Murder Podcast website: https://mindovermurderpodcast.com

    Please subscribe and rate us at your favorite podcast sites. Ratings and reviews are very important. Please share and tell your friends!

    We launch a new episode of "Mind Over Murder" every Monday morning, and a bonus episode every Thursday morning.

    Sponsors: Othram and DNAsolves.com

    Contribute Your DNA to help solve cases: https://dnasolves.com/user/register

    Follow "Mind Over Murder" on Twitter: https://twitter.com/MurderOver

    Follow Bill Thomas on Twitter: https://twitter.com/BillThomas56

    Follow "Colonial Parkway Murders" on Facebook:
    https://www.facebook.com/ColonialParkwayCase/

    Follow us on InstaGram:: https://www.instagram.com/colonialparkwaymurders/

    Check out the entire Crawlspace Media network at http://crawlspace-media.com/

    All rights reserved. Mind Over Murder, Copyright Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley,
    Another Dog Productions/Absolute Zero Productions

    Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/mind-over-murder--4847179/support.
    38 min
  • NEW: Colonial Parkway Murders: Ask Us Anything (Part 2)
    Join "Mind Over Murder" co-hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley in a new  "Ask Us Anything" episode focused on the Colonial Parkway Murders.  We answer questions, give a status report on the Colonial Parkway Murders case-- still unsolved after nearly 39 years--, highlight more stalling from the FBI, new potential accomplices to suspect Alan Wade Wilmer, Sr. , and much more.  This is Part 2 of our brand new "Ask Us Anything" series on the Colonial Parkway Murders.

    American Detective TV series: Colonial Parkway Murders:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp3rNRZnL0E

    Washingtonian: A Murder on the Rappahannock River:

    https://www.washingtonian.com/2019/06/27/murder-on-the-rappahannock-river-emerson-stevens-mary-harding-innocence-project/

    WTKR News 3: One year after development in Colonial Parkway Murders, where do things stand?

    https://www.wtkr.com/news/in-the-community/historic-triangle/one-year-after-development-in-colonial-parkway-murders-where-do-things-stand

    Won't you help the Mind Over Murder podcast increase our visibility and shine the spotlight on the "Colonial Parkway Murders" and other unsolved cases? Contribute any amount you can here:

    https://www.gofundme.com/f/mind-over-murder-podcast-expenses?utm_campaign=p_lico+share-sheet&utm_medium=copy_link&utm_source=customer

    WTVR CBS News:  Colonial Parkway murders victims' families keep hope cases will be solved:

    https://www.wtvr.com/news/local-news/colonial-parkway-murders-update-april-19-2024

    WAVY TV 10 News:  New questions raised in Colonial Parkway murders:

    https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/new-questions-raised-in-colonial-parkway-murders/

    Alan Wade Wilmer, Sr. has been named as the killer of Robin Edwards and David Knobling in the Colonial Parkway Murders in September 1987, as well as the murderer of Teresa Howell in June 1989. He has also been linked to the April 1988 disappearance and likely murder of Keith Call and Cassandra Hailey, another pair in the Colonial Parkway Murders.

    13News Now investigates: A serial killer's DNA will not be entered into CODIS database:

    https://www.13newsnow.com/video/news/local/13news-now-investigates/291-e82a9e0b-38e3-4f95-982a-40e960a71e49

    WAVY TV 10 on the Colonial Parkway Murders Announcement with photos:

    https://www.wavy.com/news/crime/deceased-man-identified-as-suspect-in-decades-old-homicides/

    WTKR News 3

    https://www.wtkr.com/news/is-man-linked-to-one-of-the-colonial-parkway-murders-connected-to-the-other-cases

    Virginian Pilot: Who was Alan Wade Wilmer Sr.? Man suspected in two ‘Colonial Parkway’ murders died alone in 2017

    https://www.pilotonline.com/2024/01/14/who-was-alan-wade-wilmer-sr-man-suspected-in-colonial-parkway-murders-died-alone-in-2017/

    Colonial Parkway Murders Facebook page with more than 18,000 followers: https://www.facebook.com/ColonialParkwayCase

    You can also participate in an in-depth discussion of the Colonial Parkway Murders here:
    https://earonsgsk.proboards.com/board/50/colonial-parkway-murders

    Mind Over Murder is proud to be a Spreaker Prime Podcaster:

    https://www.spreaker.com

    Join the discussion on our Mind Over Murder

    Colonial Parkway Murders website: https://colonialparkwaymurders.com

    Mind Over Murder Podcast website: https://mindovermurderpodcast.com

    Please subscribe and rate us at your favorite podcast sites. Ratings and reviews are very important. Please share and tell your friends!

    We launch a new episode of "Mind Over Murder" every Monday morning, and a bonus episode every Thursday morning.

    Sponsors: Othram and DNAsolves.com

    Contribute Your DNA to help solve cases: https://dnasolves.com/user/register

    Follow "Mind Over Murder" on Twitter: https://twitter.com/MurderOver

    Follow Bill Thomas on Twitter: https://twitter.com/BillThomas56

    Follow "Colonial Parkway Murders" on Facebook:
    https://www.facebook.com/ColonialParkwayCase/

    Follow us on InstaGram:: https://www.instagram.com/colonialparkwaymurders/

    Check out the entire Crawlspace Media network at http://crawlspace-media.com/

    All rights reserved. Mind Over Murder, Copyright Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley,
    Another Dog Productions/Absolute Zero Productions

    Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/mind-over-murder--4847179/support.
    41 min
  • BONUS: The D B Cooper Vortex (Part 3)
    "Mind Over Murder" hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley discuss the mysterious case of D B Cooper with Darren Schaefer, the host of "The Cooper Vortex" podcast.  Dan "DB" Cooper, who successfully hijacked a Northwest Airlines passenger jet and parachuted into the dense forest of the Pacific Northwest. He was never caught, although a small amount of the $200,000 ransom was later recovered. This bonus episode is Part 3 of 4 parts on the Dan "DB" Cooper case, and originally ran on June 9, 2025.

    The Cooper Vortex Podcast: 
    https://thecoopervortex.podbean.com/

    October 2023 Popular Mechanics article--Newcomb:
    https://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/airlines/a43298881/db-cooper-case-could-be-
    solved-dna/

    October 2023 Popular Mechanics article—Natale:
    https://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/a45639586/who-was-db-cooper/

    January 2024 Popular Mechanics article:
    https://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/a46332899/new-evidence-db-cooper-mystery/

    February 2024 Popular Mechanics article:
    https://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/a46788110/db-cooper-confession-new-
    evidence-identity/

    History.Com: https://www.history.com/articles/who-was-d-b-cooper

    FBI.GOV: https://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-cases/db-cooper-hijacking

    September 2011 NPR: All Things Considered interview:
    https://www.npr.org/2011/09/25/140216653/skyjack-the-unsolved-case-of-d-b-coopers-
    escape

    DB Cooper: https://dbcooperhijack.com/2019/01/04/d-b-cooper-cary-grant-and-the-
    1959-film-north-by-northwest/

    WTKR News 3: One year after development in Colonial Parkway Murders, where do things stand?

    https://www.wtkr.com/news/in-the-community/historic-triangle/one-year-after-development-in-colonial-parkway-murders-where-do-things-stand

    Won't you help the Mind Over Murder podcast increase our visibility and shine the spotlight on the "Colonial Parkway Murders" and other unsolved cases? Contribute any amount you can here:

    https://www.gofundme.com/f/mind-over-murder-podcast-expenses?utm_campaign=p_lico+share-sheet&utm_medium=copy_link&utm_source=customer

    WTVR CBS News:  Colonial Parkway murders victims' families keep hope cases will be solved:

    https://www.wtvr.com/news/local-news/colonial-parkway-murders-update-april-19-2024

    WAVY TV 10 News:  New questions raised in Colonial Parkway murders:

    https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/new-questions-raised-in-colonial-parkway-murders/

    Alan Wade Wilmer, Sr. has been named as the killer of Robin Edwards and David Knobling in the Colonial Parkway Murders in September 1987, as well as the murderer of Teresa Howell in June 1989. He has also been linked to the April 1988 disappearance and likely murder of Keith Call and Cassandra Hailey, another pair in the Colonial Parkway Murders.

    13News Now investigates: A serial killer's DNA will not be entered into CODIS database:

    https://www.13newsnow.com/video/news/local/13news-now-investigates/291-e82a9e0b-38e3-4f95-982a-40e960a71e49

    WAVY TV 10 on the Colonial Parkway Murders Announcement with photos:

    https://www.wavy.com/news/crime/deceased-man-identified-as-suspect-in-decades-old-homicides/

    WTKR News 3

    https://www.wtkr.com/news/is-man-linked-to-one-of-the-colonial-parkway-murders-connected-to-the-other-cases

    Virginian Pilot: Who was Alan Wade Wilmer Sr.? Man suspected in two ‘Colonial Parkway’ murders died alone in 2017

    https://www.pilotonline.com/2024/01/14/who-was-alan-wade-wilmer-sr-man-suspected-in-colonial-parkway-murders-died-alone-in-2017/

    Colonial Parkway Murders Facebook page with more than 18,000 followers: https://www.facebook.com/ColonialParkwayCase

    You can also participate in an in-depth discussion of the Colonial Parkway Murders here:
    https://earonsgsk.proboards.com/board/50/colonial-parkway-murders

    Mind Over Murder is proud to be a Spreaker Prime Podcaster:

    https://www.spreaker.com

    Join the discussion on our Mind Over Murder

    Colonial Parkway Murders website: https://colonialparkwaymurders.com

    Mind Over Murder Podcast website: https://mindovermurderpodcast.com

    Please subscribe and rate us at your favorite podcast sites. Ratings and reviews are very important. Please share and tell your friends!

    We launch a new episode of "Mind Over Murder" every Monday morning, and a bonus episode every Thursday morning.

    Sponsors: Othram and DNAsolves.com

    Contribute Your DNA to help solve cases: https://dnasolves.com/user/register

    Follow "Mind Over Murder" on Twitter: https://twitter.com/MurderOver

    Follow Bill Thomas on Twitter: https://twitter.com/BillThomas56

    Follow "Colonial Parkway Murders" on Facebook:
    https://www.facebook.com/ColonialParkwayCase/

    Follow us on InstaGram:: https://www.instagram.com/colonialparkwaymurders/

    Check out the entire Crawlspace Media network at http://crawlspace-media.com/

    All rights reserved. Mind Over Murder, Copyright Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley,
    Another Dog Productions/Absolute Zero Productions

    Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/mind-over-murder--4847179/support.
    42 min
  • NEW: Colonial Parkway Murders: Ask Us Anything (Part 1)
    Join "Mind Over Murder" co-hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley in a new  "Ask Us Anything" episode focused on the Colonial Parkway Murders.  We answer questions, give a status report on the Colonial Parkway Murders case-- still unsolved after nearly 39 years--, highlight more stalling from the FBI, new potential accomplices to suspect Alan Wade Wilmer, Sr. , and much more.  This is Part 1 of our brand new "Ask Us Anything" series on the Colonial Parkway Murders.

    American Detective TV series: Colonial Parkway Murders:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp3rNRZnL0E

    Washingtonian: A Murder on the Rappahannock River:

    https://www.washingtonian.com/2019/06/27/murder-on-the-rappahannock-river-emerson-stevens-mary-harding-innocence-project/

    WTKR News 3: One year after development in Colonial Parkway Murders, where do things stand?

    https://www.wtkr.com/news/in-the-community/historic-triangle/one-year-after-development-in-colonial-parkway-murders-where-do-things-stand

    Won't you help the Mind Over Murder podcast increase our visibility and shine the spotlight on the "Colonial Parkway Murders" and other unsolved cases? Contribute any amount you can here:

    https://www.gofundme.com/f/mind-over-murder-podcast-expenses?utm_campaign=p_lico+share-sheet&utm_medium=copy_link&utm_source=customer

    WTVR CBS News:  Colonial Parkway murders victims' families keep hope cases will be solved:

    https://www.wtvr.com/news/local-news/colonial-parkway-murders-update-april-19-2024

    WAVY TV 10 News:  New questions raised in Colonial Parkway murders:

    https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/new-questions-raised-in-colonial-parkway-murders/

    Alan Wade Wilmer, Sr. has been named as the killer of Robin Edwards and David Knobling in the Colonial Parkway Murders in September 1987, as well as the murderer of Teresa Howell in June 1989. He has also been linked to the April 1988 disappearance and likely murder of Keith Call and Cassandra Hailey, another pair in the Colonial Parkway Murders.

    13News Now investigates: A serial killer's DNA will not be entered into CODIS database:

    https://www.13newsnow.com/video/news/local/13news-now-investigates/291-e82a9e0b-38e3-4f95-982a-40e960a71e49

    WAVY TV 10 on the Colonial Parkway Murders Announcement with photos:

    https://www.wavy.com/news/crime/deceased-man-identified-as-suspect-in-decades-old-homicides/

    WTKR News 3

    https://www.wtkr.com/news/is-man-linked-to-one-of-the-colonial-parkway-murders-connected-to-the-other-cases

    Virginian Pilot: Who was Alan Wade Wilmer Sr.? Man suspected in two ‘Colonial Parkway’ murders died alone in 2017

    https://www.pilotonline.com/2024/01/14/who-was-alan-wade-wilmer-sr-man-suspected-in-colonial-parkway-murders-died-alone-in-2017/

    Colonial Parkway Murders Facebook page with more than 18,000 followers: https://www.facebook.com/ColonialParkwayCase

    You can also participate in an in-depth discussion of the Colonial Parkway Murders here:
    https://earonsgsk.proboards.com/board/50/colonial-parkway-murders

    Mind Over Murder is proud to be a Spreaker Prime Podcaster:

    https://www.spreaker.com

    Join the discussion on our Mind Over Murder

    Colonial Parkway Murders website: https://colonialparkwaymurders.com

    Mind Over Murder Podcast website: https://mindovermurderpodcast.com

    Please subscribe and rate us at your favorite podcast sites. Ratings and reviews are very important. Please share and tell your friends!

    We launch a new episode of "Mind Over Murder" every Monday morning, and a bonus episode every Thursday morning.

    Sponsors: Othram and DNAsolves.com

    Contribute Your DNA to help solve cases: https://dnasolves.com/user/register

    Follow "Mind Over Murder" on Twitter: https://twitter.com/MurderOver

    Follow Bill Thomas on Twitter: https://twitter.com/BillThomas56

    Follow "Colonial Parkway Murders" on Facebook:
    https://www.facebook.com/ColonialParkwayCase/

    Follow us on InstaGram:: https://www.instagram.com/colonialparkwaymurders/

    Check out the entire Crawlspace Media network at http://crawlspace-media.com/

    All rights reserved. Mind Over Murder, Copyright Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley,
    Another Dog Productions/Absolute Zero Productions

    Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/mind-over-murder--4847179/support.
    44 min
  • BONUS: Skyjacked w DB Cooper (Part 2)
    "Mind Over Murder" hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley discuss the mysterious case of D B Cooper, who successfully hijacked a Northwest Airlines passenger jet and parachuted into the dense forest of the Pacific Northwest. He was never caught, although a small amount of the $200,000 ransom was later recovered. This bonus episode is Part 2 of 4 parts on the Dan "DB" Cooper case and originally ran in May/June 2025.

    October 2023 Popular Mechanics article--Newcomb:
    https://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/airlines/a43298881/db-cooper-case-could-be-
    solved-dna/

    October 2023 Popular Mechanics article—Natale:
    https://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/a45639586/who-was-db-cooper/

    January 2024 Popular Mechanics article:
    https://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/a46332899/new-evidence-db-cooper-mystery/

    February 2024 Popular Mechanics article:
    https://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/a46788110/db-cooper-confession-new-
    evidence-identity/

    History.Com: https://www.history.com/articles/who-was-d-b-cooper

    FBI.GOV: https://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-cases/db-cooper-hijacking

    September 2011 NPR: All Things Considered interview:
    https://www.npr.org/2011/09/25/140216653/skyjack-the-unsolved-case-of-d-b-coopers-
    escape

    DB Cooper: https://dbcooperhijack.com/2019/01/04/d-b-cooper-cary-grant-and-the-
    1959-film-north-by-northwest/

    WTKR News 3: One year after development in Colonial Parkway Murders, where do things stand?

    https://www.wtkr.com/news/in-the-community/historic-triangle/one-year-after-development-in-colonial-parkway-murders-where-do-things-stand

    Won't you help the Mind Over Murder podcast increase our visibility and shine the spotlight on the "Colonial Parkway Murders" and other unsolved cases? Contribute any amount you can here:

    https://www.gofundme.com/f/mind-over-murder-podcast-expenses?utm_campaign=p_lico+share-sheet&utm_medium=copy_link&utm_source=customer

    WTVR CBS News:  Colonial Parkway murders victims' families keep hope cases will be solved:

    https://www.wtvr.com/news/local-news/colonial-parkway-murders-update-april-19-2024

    WAVY TV 10 News:  New questions raised in Colonial Parkway murders:

    https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/new-questions-raised-in-colonial-parkway-murders/

    Alan Wade Wilmer, Sr. has been named as the killer of Robin Edwards and David Knobling in the Colonial Parkway Murders in September 1987, as well as the murderer of Teresa Howell in June 1989. He has also been linked to the April 1988 disappearance and likely murder of Keith Call and Cassandra Hailey, another pair in the Colonial Parkway Murders.

    13News Now investigates: A serial killer's DNA will not be entered into CODIS database:

    https://www.13newsnow.com/video/news/local/13news-now-investigates/291-e82a9e0b-38e3-4f95-982a-40e960a71e49

    WAVY TV 10 on the Colonial Parkway Murders Announcement with photos:

    https://www.wavy.com/news/crime/deceased-man-identified-as-suspect-in-decades-old-homicides/

    WTKR News 3

    https://www.wtkr.com/news/is-man-linked-to-one-of-the-colonial-parkway-murders-connected-to-the-other-cases

    Virginian Pilot: Who was Alan Wade Wilmer Sr.? Man suspected in two ‘Colonial Parkway’ murders died alone in 2017

    https://www.pilotonline.com/2024/01/14/who-was-alan-wade-wilmer-sr-man-suspected-in-colonial-parkway-murders-died-alone-in-2017/

    Colonial Parkway Murders Facebook page with more than 18,000 followers: https://www.facebook.com/ColonialParkwayCase

    You can also participate in an in-depth discussion of the Colonial Parkway Murders here:
    https://earonsgsk.proboards.com/board/50/colonial-parkway-murders

    Mind Over Murder is proud to be a Spreaker Prime Podcaster:

    https://www.spreaker.com

    Join the discussion on our Mind Over Murder

    Colonial Parkway Murders website: https://colonialparkwaymurders.com

    Mind Over Murder Podcast website: https://mindovermurderpodcast.com

    Please subscribe and rate us at your favorite podcast sites. Ratings and reviews are very important. Please share and tell your friends!

    We launch a new episode of "Mind Over Murder" every Monday morning, and a bonus episode every Thursday morning.

    Sponsors: Othram and DNAsolves.com

    Contribute Your DNA to help solve cases: https://dnasolves.com/user/register

    Follow "Mind Over Murder" on Twitter: https://twitter.com/MurderOver

    Follow Bill Thomas on Twitter: https://twitter.com/BillThomas56

    Follow "Colonial Parkway Murders" on Facebook:
    https://www.facebook.com/ColonialParkwayCase/

    Follow us on InstaGram:: https://www.instagram.com/colonialparkwaymurders/

    Check out the entire Crawlspace Media network at http://crawlspace-media.com/

    All rights reserved. Mind Over Murder, Copyright Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley,
    Another Dog Productions/Absolute Zero Productions

    Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/mind-over-murder--4847179/support.
    30 min
  • NEW: Bone Valley with Author Gilbert King
    Join Pulitzer Prize willing author Gilbert King as he sits down with "Mind Over Murder" podcast hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley to discuss his new book and hit podcast "Bone Valley." The book and podcast tells a true story of injustice and redemption in the heart of Florida-- in 1988, Leo Schofield was arrested and charged with the murder of his wife, Michelle-- a murder he did not commit. Leo served more than 30 years, and was ultimately released on parole. He has yet to be exonerated despite another man confessing to killing Michelle Schofield. Publish date: Oct. 7, 2025.

    Gilbert King website:  https://www.gilbertking.com/

    Amazon:  Bone Valley: A True Story of Injustice and Redemption in the Heart of Florida

    https://www.amazon.com/Bone-Valley-Injustice-Redemption-Florida/dp/1250368545/ref=monarch_sidesheet_image?author-follow=B0F7BX14VM

    WTKR News 3: One year after development in Colonial Parkway Murders, where do things stand?

    https://www.wtkr.com/news/in-the-community/historic-triangle/one-year-after-development-in-colonial-parkway-murders-where-do-things-stand

    Won't you help the Mind Over Murder podcast increase our visibility and shine the spotlight on the "Colonial Parkway Murders" and other unsolved cases? Contribute any amount you can here:

    https://www.gofundme.com/f/mind-over-murder-podcast-expenses?utm_campaign=p_lico+share-sheet&utm_medium=copy_link&utm_source=customer

    WTVR CBS News:  Colonial Parkway murders victims' families keep hope cases will be solved:

    https://www.wtvr.com/news/local-news/colonial-parkway-murders-update-april-19-2024

    WAVY TV 10 News:  New questions raised in Colonial Parkway murders:

    https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/new-questions-raised-in-colonial-parkway-murders/

    Alan Wade Wilmer, Sr. has been named as the killer of Robin Edwards and David Knobling in the Colonial Parkway Murders in September 1987, as well as the murderer of Teresa Howell in June 1989. He has also been linked to the April 1988 disappearance and likely murder of Keith Call and Cassandra Hailey, another pair in the Colonial Parkway Murders.

    13News Now investigates: A serial killer's DNA will not be entered into CODIS database:

    https://www.13newsnow.com/video/news/local/13news-now-investigates/291-e82a9e0b-38e3-4f95-982a-40e960a71e49

    WAVY TV 10 on the Colonial Parkway Murders Announcement with photos:

    https://www.wavy.com/news/crime/deceased-man-identified-as-suspect-in-decades-old-homicides/

    WTKR News 3

    https://www.wtkr.com/news/is-man-linked-to-one-of-the-colonial-parkway-murders-connected-to-the-other-cases

    Virginian Pilot: Who was Alan Wade Wilmer Sr.? Man suspected in two ‘Colonial Parkway’ murders died alone in 2017

    https://www.pilotonline.com/2024/01/14/who-was-alan-wade-wilmer-sr-man-suspected-in-colonial-parkway-murders-died-alone-in-2017/

    Colonial Parkway Murders Facebook page with more than 18,000 followers: https://www.facebook.com/ColonialParkwayCase

    You can also participate in an in-depth discussion of the Colonial Parkway Murders here:
    https://earonsgsk.proboards.com/board/50/colonial-parkway-murders

    Mind Over Murder is proud to be a Spreaker Prime Podcaster:

    https://www.spreaker.com

    Join the discussion on our Mind Over Murder

    Colonial Parkway Murders website: https://colonialparkwaymurders.com

    Mind Over Murder Podcast website: https://mindovermurderpodcast.com

    Please subscribe and rate us at your favorite podcast sites. Ratings and reviews are very important. Please share and tell your friends!

    We launch a new episode of "Mind Over Murder" every Monday morning, and a bonus episode every Thursday morning.

    Sponsors: Othram and DNAsolves.com

    Contribute Your DNA to help solve cases: https://dnasolves.com/user/register

    Follow "Mind Over Murder" on Twitter: https://twitter.com/MurderOver

    Follow Bill Thomas on Twitter: https://twitter.com/BillThomas56

    Follow "Colonial Parkway Murders" on Facebook:
    https://www.facebook.com/ColonialParkwayCase/

    Follow us on InstaGram:: https://www.instagram.com/colonialparkwaymurders/

    All rights reserved. Mind Over Murder, Copyright Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley,
    Another Dog Productions/Absolute Zero Productions

    Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/mind-over-murder--4847179/support.
    48 min
  • BONUS: Skyjacked w DB Cooper (Part 1)
    "Mind Over Murder" hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley discuss the mysterious case of D B Cooper, who successfully hijacked a Northwest Airlines passenger jet and parachuted into the dense forest of the Pacific Northwest. He was never caught, although a small amount of the $200,000 ransom was later recovered. This bonus episode is Part 1 of 4 parts on the Dan "DB" Cooper case and originally ran in May/June 2025.

    October 2023 Popular Mechanics article--Newcomb:
    https://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/airlines/a43298881/db-cooper-case-could-be-
    solved-dna/

    October 2023 Popular Mechanics article—Natale:
    https://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/a45639586/who-was-db-cooper/

    January 2024 Popular Mechanics article:
    https://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/a46332899/new-evidence-db-cooper-mystery/

    February 2024 Popular Mechanics article:
    https://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/a46788110/db-cooper-confession-new-
    evidence-identity/

    History.Com: https://www.history.com/articles/who-was-d-b-cooper

    FBI.GOV: https://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-cases/db-cooper-hijacking

    September 2011 NPR: All Things Considered interview:
    https://www.npr.org/2011/09/25/140216653/skyjack-the-unsolved-case-of-d-b-coopers-
    escape

    DB Cooper: https://dbcooperhijack.com/2019/01/04/d-b-cooper-cary-grant-and-the-
    1959-film-north-by-northwest/

    WTKR News 3: One year after development in Colonial Parkway Murders, where do things stand?

    https://www.wtkr.com/news/in-the-community/historic-triangle/one-year-after-development-in-colonial-parkway-murders-where-do-things-stand

    Won't you help the Mind Over Murder podcast increase our visibility and shine the spotlight on the "Colonial Parkway Murders" and other unsolved cases? Contribute any amount you can here:

    https://www.gofundme.com/f/mind-over-murder-podcast-expenses?utm_campaign=p_lico+share-sheet&utm_medium=copy_link&utm_source=customer

    WTVR CBS News:  Colonial Parkway murders victims' families keep hope cases will be solved:

    https://www.wtvr.com/news/local-news/colonial-parkway-murders-update-april-19-2024

    WAVY TV 10 News:  New questions raised in Colonial Parkway murders:

    https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/new-questions-raised-in-colonial-parkway-murders/

    Alan Wade Wilmer, Sr. has been named as the killer of Robin Edwards and David Knobling in the Colonial Parkway Murders in September 1987, as well as the murderer of Teresa Howell in June 1989. He has also been linked to the April 1988 disappearance and likely murder of Keith Call and Cassandra Hailey, another pair in the Colonial Parkway Murders.

    13News Now investigates: A serial killer's DNA will not be entered into CODIS database:

    https://www.13newsnow.com/video/news/local/13news-now-investigates/291-e82a9e0b-38e3-4f95-982a-40e960a71e49

    WAVY TV 10 on the Colonial Parkway Murders Announcement with photos:

    https://www.wavy.com/news/crime/deceased-man-identified-as-suspect-in-decades-old-homicides/

    WTKR News 3

    https://www.wtkr.com/news/is-man-linked-to-one-of-the-colonial-parkway-murders-connected-to-the-other-cases

    Virginian Pilot: Who was Alan Wade Wilmer Sr.? Man suspected in two ‘Colonial Parkway’ murders died alone in 2017

    https://www.pilotonline.com/2024/01/14/who-was-alan-wade-wilmer-sr-man-suspected-in-colonial-parkway-murders-died-alone-in-2017/

    Colonial Parkway Murders Facebook page with more than 18,000 followers: https://www.facebook.com/ColonialParkwayCase

    You can also participate in an in-depth discussion of the Colonial Parkway Murders here:
    https://earonsgsk.proboards.com/board/50/colonial-parkway-murders

    Mind Over Murder is proud to be a Spreaker Prime Podcaster:

    https://www.spreaker.com

    Join the discussion on our Mind Over Murder

    Colonial Parkway Murders website: https://colonialparkwaymurders.com

    Mind Over Murder Podcast website: https://mindovermurderpodcast.com

    Please subscribe and rate us at your favorite podcast sites. Ratings and reviews are very important. Please share and tell your friends!

    We launch a new episode of "Mind Over Murder" every Monday morning, and a bonus episode every Thursday morning.

    Sponsors: Othram and DNAsolves.com

    Contribute Your DNA to help solve cases: https://dnasolves.com/user/register

    Follow "Mind Over Murder" on Twitter: https://twitter.com/MurderOver

    Follow Bill Thomas on Twitter: https://twitter.com/BillThomas56

    Follow "Colonial Parkway Murders" on Facebook:
    https://www.facebook.com/ColonialParkwayCase/

    Follow us on InstaGram:: https://www.instagram.com/colonialparkwaymurders/

    Check out the entire Crawlspace Media network at http://crawlspace-media.com/

    All rights reserved. Mind Over Murder, Copyright Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley,
    Another Dog Productions/Absolute Zero Productions

    Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/mind-over-murder--4847179/support.
    47 min
  • NEW: CrimeCon Denver 2025 Report
    Join "Mind Over Murder" hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley as they discuss the recent CrimeCon 2025 held a week ago in Denver-- nearly 7,000 fans gathered for a fun, informative and inspiring weekend covering all things true crime.  We get into the CrimeCon CLUE Awards, great interactions with fans, podcasters and the denizens of Creator's Row, CrimeCon likes and dislikes (way more likes than dislikes!), and preview CrimeCon 2026, to be held May 29-31, 2026 in Las Vegas.

    Colorado Public Radio: CrimeCon 2025 draws thousands to Gaylord Rockies in Aurora:

    https://www.cpr.org/2025/09/06/crimecon-2025-true-crime-denver-aurora/

    CrimeCon in the media:  https://www.crimecon.com/in-the-media

    CrimeCon 2026:  https://www.crimecon.com/CC26

    WTKR News 3: One year after development in Colonial Parkway Murders, where do things stand?

    https://www.wtkr.com/news/in-the-community/historic-triangle/one-year-after-development-in-colonial-parkway-murders-where-do-things-stand

    Won't you help the Mind Over Murder podcast increase our visibility and shine the spotlight on the "Colonial Parkway Murders" and other unsolved cases? Contribute any amount you can here:

    https://www.gofundme.com/f/mind-over-murder-podcast-expenses?utm_campaign=p_lico+share-sheet&utm_medium=copy_link&utm_source=customer

    WTVR CBS News:  Colonial Parkway murders victims' families keep hope cases will be solved:

    https://www.wtvr.com/news/local-news/colonial-parkway-murders-update-april-19-2024

    WAVY TV 10 News:  New questions raised in Colonial Parkway murders:

    https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/new-questions-raised-in-colonial-parkway-murders/

    Alan Wade Wilmer, Sr. has been named as the killer of Robin Edwards and David Knobling in the Colonial Parkway Murders in September 1987, as well as the murderer of Teresa Howell in June 1989. He has also been linked to the April 1988 disappearance and likely murder of Keith Call and Cassandra Hailey, another pair in the Colonial Parkway Murders.

    13News Now investigates: A serial killer's DNA will not be entered into CODIS database:

    https://www.13newsnow.com/video/news/local/13news-now-investigates/291-e82a9e0b-38e3-4f95-982a-40e960a71e49

    WAVY TV 10 on the Colonial Parkway Murders Announcement with photos:

    https://www.wavy.com/news/crime/deceased-man-identified-as-suspect-in-decades-old-homicides/

    WTKR News 3

    https://www.wtkr.com/news/is-man-linked-to-one-of-the-colonial-parkway-murders-connected-to-the-other-cases

    Virginian Pilot: Who was Alan Wade Wilmer Sr.? Man suspected in two ‘Colonial Parkway’ murders died alone in 2017

    https://www.pilotonline.com/2024/01/14/who-was-alan-wade-wilmer-sr-man-suspected-in-colonial-parkway-murders-died-alone-in-2017/

    Colonial Parkway Murders Facebook page with more than 18,000 followers: https://www.facebook.com/ColonialParkwayCase

    You can also participate in an in-depth discussion of the Colonial Parkway Murders here:
    https://earonsgsk.proboards.com/board/50/colonial-parkway-murders

    Mind Over Murder is proud to be a Spreaker Prime Podcaster:

    https://www.spreaker.com

    Join the discussion on our Mind Over Murder

    Colonial Parkway Murders website: https://colonialparkwaymurders.com

    Mind Over Murder Podcast website: https://mindovermurderpodcast.com

    Please subscribe and rate us at your favorite podcast sites. Ratings and reviews are very important. Please share and tell your friends!

    We launch a new episode of "Mind Over Murder" every Monday morning, and a bonus episode every Thursday morning.

    Sponsors: Othram and DNAsolves.com

    Contribute Your DNA to help solve cases: https://dnasolves.com/user/register

    Follow "Mind Over Murder" on Twitter: https://twitter.com/MurderOver

    Follow Bill Thomas on Twitter: https://twitter.com/BillThomas56

    Follow "Colonial Parkway Murders" on Facebook:
    https://www.facebook.com/ColonialParkwayCase/

    Follow us on InstaGram:: https://www.instagram.com/colonialparkwaymurders/

    All rights reserved. Mind Over Murder, Copyright Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley,
    Another Dog Productions/Absolute Zero Productions

    Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/mind-over-murder--4847179/support.
    46 min
  • BONUS: The Zodiac Killer with Michael Butterfield (Part 2)
    Michael Butterfield, author of "The Zodiac Killer: The Story of America's Most Elusive Murderer," joins "Mind Over Murder" cohosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley to discuss his new book, his longtime research into the still unsolved Zodiac case, and his website, ZodiacKillerFacts.com. Will Zodiac ever be identified?  Will the remaining Zodiac ciphers be solved?  Are there really similarities between the Zodiac case and the Colonial Parkway Murders? This bonus episode is is Part 2 of 2 parts on the Zodiac with Michael Butterfield, and originally ran on May 19, 2025.

    Amazon:  The Zodiac Killer: The Story of America's Most Elusive Murderer

    https://www.amazon.com/Zodiac-Killer-Americas-Elusive-Murderer/dp/1398851779?author-follow=B0F4RS214F

    ZodiacKillerFacts.com website:

    https://zodiackillerfacts.com/about/

    Washingtonian: A Murder on the Rappahannock River:

    https://www.washingtonian.com/2019/06/27/murder-on-the-rappahannock-river-emerson-stevens-mary-harding-innocence-project/

    WTKR News 3: One year after development in Colonial Parkway Murders, where do things stand?

    https://www.wtkr.com/news/in-the-community/historic-triangle/one-year-after-development-in-colonial-parkway-murders-where-do-things-stand

    Won't you help the Mind Over Murder podcast increase our visibility and shine the spotlight on the "Colonial Parkway Murders" and other unsolved cases? Contribute any amount you can here:

    https://www.gofundme.com/f/mind-over-murder-podcast-expenses?utm_campaign=p_lico+share-sheet&utm_medium=copy_link&utm_source=customer

    WTVR CBS News:  Colonial Parkway murders victims' families keep hope cases will be solved:

    https://www.wtvr.com/news/local-news/colonial-parkway-murders-update-april-19-2024

    WAVY TV 10 News:  New questions raised in Colonial Parkway murders:

    https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/new-questions-raised-in-colonial-parkway-murders/

    Alan Wade Wilmer, Sr. has been named as the killer of Robin Edwards and David Knobling in the Colonial Parkway Murders in September 1987, as well as the murderer of Teresa Howell in June 1989. He has also been linked to the April 1988 disappearance and likely murder of Keith Call and Cassandra Hailey, another pair in the Colonial Parkway Murders.

    13News Now investigates: A serial killer's DNA will not be entered into CODIS database:

    https://www.13newsnow.com/video/news/local/13news-now-investigates/291-e82a9e0b-38e3-4f95-982a-40e960a71e49

    WAVY TV 10 on the Colonial Parkway Murders Announcement with photos:

    https://www.wavy.com/news/crime/deceased-man-identified-as-suspect-in-decades-old-homicides/

    WTKR News 3

    https://www.wtkr.com/news/is-man-linked-to-one-of-the-colonial-parkway-murders-connected-to-the-other-cases

    Virginian Pilot: Who was Alan Wade Wilmer Sr.? Man suspected in two ‘Colonial Parkway’ murders died alone in 2017

    https://www.pilotonline.com/2024/01/14/who-was-alan-wade-wilmer-sr-man-suspected-in-colonial-parkway-murders-died-alone-in-2017/

    Colonial Parkway Murders Facebook page with more than 18,000 followers: https://www.facebook.com/ColonialParkwayCase

    You can also participate in an in-depth discussion of the Colonial Parkway Murders here:
    https://earonsgsk.proboards.com/board/50/colonial-parkway-murders

    Mind Over Murder is proud to be a Spreaker Prime Podcaster:

    https://www.spreaker.com

    Join the discussion on our Mind Over Murder

    Colonial Parkway Murders website: https://colonialparkwaymurders.com

    Mind Over Murder Podcast website: https://mindovermurderpodcast.com

    Please subscribe and rate us at your favorite podcast sites. Ratings and reviews are very important. Please share and tell your friends!

    We launch a new episode of "Mind Over Murder" every Monday morning, and a bonus episode every Thursday morning.

    Sponsors: Othram and DNAsolves.com

    Contribute Your DNA to help solve cases: https://dnasolves.com/user/register

    Follow "Mind Over Murder" on Twitter: https://twitter.com/MurderOver

    Follow Bill Thomas on Twitter: https://twitter.com/BillThomas56

    Follow "Colonial Parkway Murders" on Facebook:
    https://www.facebook.com/ColonialParkwayCase/

    Follow us on InstaGram:: https://www.instagram.com/colonialparkwaymurders/

    Check out the entire Crawlspace Media network at http://crawlspace-media.com/

    All rights reserved. Mind Over Murder, Copyright Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley,
    Another Dog Productions/Absolute Zero Productions

    Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/mind-over-murder--4847179/support.
    37 min

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