Mind Over Murder

Pulitzer Prize-winning writer Caroline Fraser joins "Mind Over Murder" co-hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley to discuss her new book "Murderland: Crime and Bloodlust in the Time of Serial Killers." The work explores the provocative premise that environmental toxins may have led men living in the Pacific Northwest to become serial killers. Could a poisonous mix of lead, copper and arsenic fumes spewing out of a massive industrial smelting plant in Tacoma, Washington have impacted those living in its shadow?

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Murderland: Crime and Bloodlust in the Time of Serial Killers

https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/741809/murderland-by-caroline-fraser/

Murderland on Goodreads:
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/217927444-murderland?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=FuNcX09PwP&rank=1#CommunityReviews


WTKR News 3: One year after development in Colonial Parkway Murders, where do things stand?

https://www.wtkr.com/news/in-the-community/historic-triangle/one-year-after-development-in-colonial-parkway-murders-where-do-things-stand

Won't you help the Mind Over Murder podcast increase our visibility and shine the spotlight on the "Colonial Parkway Murders" and other unsolved cases? Contribute any amount you can here:

https://www.gofundme.com/f/mind-over-murder-podcast-expenses?utm_campaign=p_lico+share-sheet&utm_medium=copy_link&utm_source=customer

WTVR CBS News:  Colonial Parkway murders victims' families keep hope cases will be solved:

https://www.wtvr.com/news/local-news/colonial-parkway-murders-update-april-19-2024

WAVY TV 10 News:  New questions raised in Colonial Parkway murders:

https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/new-questions-raised-in-colonial-parkway-murders/

Alan Wade Wilmer, Sr. has been named as the killer of Robin Edwards and David Knobling in the Colonial Parkway Murders in September 1987, as well as the murderer of Teresa Howell in June 1989. He has also been linked to the April 1988 disappearance and likely murder of Keith Call and Cassandra Hailey, another pair in the Colonial Parkway Murders.

13News Now investigates: A serial killer's DNA will not be entered into CODIS database:

https://www.13newsnow.com/video/news/local/13news-now-investigates/291-e82a9e0b-38e3-4f95-982a-40e960a71e49

WAVY TV 10 on the Colonial Parkway Murders Announcement with photos:

https://www.wavy.com/news/crime/deceased-man-identified-as-suspect-in-decades-old-homicides/

WTKR News 3

https://www.wtkr.com/news/is-man-linked-to-one-of-the-colonial-parkway-murders-connected-to-the-other-cases

Virginian Pilot: Who was Alan Wade Wilmer Sr.? Man suspected in two ‘Colonial Parkway’ murders died alone in 2017

https://www.pilotonline.com/2024/01/14/who-was-alan-wade-wilmer-sr-man-suspected-in-colonial-parkway-murders-died-alone-in-2017/

Colonial Parkway Murders Facebook page with more than 18,000 followers: https://www.facebook.com/ColonialParkwayCase

You can also participate in an in-depth discussion of the Colonial Parkway Murders here:
https://earonsgsk.proboards.com/board/50/colonial-parkway-murders

Mind Over Murder is proud to be a Spreaker Prime Podcaster:

https://www.spreaker.com

Join the discussion on our Mind Over Murder

Colonial Parkway Murders website: https://colonialparkwaymurders.com

Mind Over Murder Podcast website: https://mindovermurderpodcast.com

Please subscribe and rate us at your favorite podcast sites. Ratings and reviews are very important. Please share and tell your friends!

We launch a new episode of "Mind Over Murder" every Monday morning, and a bonus episode every Thursday morning.

Sponsors: Othram and DNAsolves.com

Contribute Your DNA to help solve cases: https://dnasolves.com/user/register

Follow "Mind Over Murder" on Twitter: https://twitter.com/MurderOver

Follow Bill Thomas on Twitter: https://twitter.com/BillThomas56

Follow "Colonial Parkway Murders" on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/ColonialParkwayCase/

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All rights reserved. Mind Over Murder, Copyright Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley,
Another Dog Productions/Absolute Zero Productions

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Author and advocate Ashley Spence joins "Mind Over Murder" co-hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley to discuss her new book "Silent Witness: How DNA Uncovered the Truth and Empowered My Healing."  Ashley, a sexual assault survivor herself, founded the DNA Justice Project to advocate how forensic DNA can change lives, transform justice and prevent crimes before they happen. This bonus episode of "Mind Over Murder"originally ran on March 3, 2025.

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Goodreads:  Silent Witness: How DNA Uncovered the Truth and Empowered My Healing

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/222721460-silent-witness

DNA Justice Project:

https://www.dnajusticeproject.org/

RAINN:  Together, we will create a world free from sexual violence.

https://rainn.org/

WTKR News 3: One year after development in Colonial Parkway Murders, where do things stand?

https://www.wtkr.com/news/in-the-community/historic-triangle/one-year-after-development-in-colonial-parkway-murders-where-do-things-stand

Won't you help the Mind Over Murder podcast increase our visibility and shine the spotlight on the "Colonial Parkway Murders" and other unsolved cases? Contribute any amount you can here:

https://www.gofundme.com/f/mind-over-murder-podcast-expenses?utm_campaign=p_lico+share-sheet&utm_medium=copy_link&utm_source=customer

WTVR CBS News:  Colonial Parkway murders victims' families keep hope cases will be solved:

https://www.wtvr.com/news/local-news/colonial-parkway-murders-update-april-19-2024

WAVY TV 10 News:  New questions raised in Colonial Parkway murders:

https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/new-questions-raised-in-colonial-parkway-murders/

Alan Wade Wilmer, Sr. has been named as the killer of Robin Edwards and David Knobling in the Colonial Parkway Murders in September 1987, as well as the murderer of Teresa Howell in June 1989. He has also been linked to the April 1988 disappearance and likely murder of Keith Call and Cassandra Hailey, another pair in the Colonial Parkway Murders.

13News Now investigates: A serial killer's DNA will not be entered into CODIS database:

https://www.13newsnow.com/video/news/local/13news-now-investigates/291-e82a9e0b-38e3-4f95-982a-40e960a71e49

WAVY TV 10 on the Colonial Parkway Murders Announcement with photos:

https://www.wavy.com/news/crime/deceased-man-identified-as-suspect-in-decades-old-homicides/

WTKR News 3

https://www.wtkr.com/news/is-man-linked-to-one-of-the-colonial-parkway-murders-connected-to-the-other-cases

Virginian Pilot: Who was Alan Wade Wilmer Sr.? Man suspected in two ‘Colonial Parkway’ murders died alone in 2017

https://www.pilotonline.com/2024/01/14/who-was-alan-wade-wilmer-sr-man-suspected-in-colonial-parkway-murders-died-alone-in-2017/

Colonial Parkway Murders Facebook page with more than 18,000 followers: https://www.facebook.com/ColonialParkwayCase

You can also participate in an in-depth discussion of the Colonial Parkway Murders here:
https://earonsgsk.proboards.com/board/50/colonial-parkway-murders

Mind Over Murder is proud to be a Spreaker Prime Podcaster:

https://www.spreaker.com

Join the discussion on our Mind Over Murder

Colonial Parkway Murders website: https://colonialparkwaymurders.com

Mind Over Murder Podcast website: https://mindovermurderpodcast.com

Please subscribe and rate us at your favorite podcast sites. Ratings and reviews are very important. Please share and tell your friends!

We launch a new episode of "Mind Over Murder" every Monday morning, and a bonus episode every Thursday morning.

Sponsors: Othram and DNAsolves.com

Contribute Your DNA to help solve cases: https://dnasolves.com/user/register

Follow "Mind Over Murder" on Twitter: https://twitter.com/MurderOver

Follow Bill Thomas on Twitter: https://twitter.com/BillThomas56

Follow "Colonial Parkway Murders" on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/ColonialParkwayCase/

Follow us on InstaGram:: https://www.instagram.com/colonialparkwaymurders/

Check out the entire Crawlspace Media network at http://crawlspace-media.com/

All rights reserved. Mind Over Murder, Copyright Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley,
Another Dog Productions/Absolute Zero Productions

Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/mind-over-murder--4847179/support.

"Mind Over Murder" hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley are joined by Chris Fabricant of the Innocence Project to discuss his new edition of his book, "Junk Science and the American Criminal Justice System."  Chris describes the shocking story of how discredited scientific forensics have been used in thousands of wrongful convictions across the United States.

Goodreads:  Junk Science and the American Criminal Justice System:

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/59427482-junk-science-and-the-american-criminal-justice-system

WTKR News 3: One year after development in Colonial Parkway Murders, where do things stand?

https://www.wtkr.com/news/in-the-community/historic-triangle/one-year-after-development-in-colonial-parkway-murders-where-do-things-stand

Won't you help the Mind Over Murder podcast increase our visibility and shine the spotlight on the "Colonial Parkway Murders" and other unsolved cases? Contribute any amount you can here:

https://www.gofundme.com/f/mind-over-murder-podcast-expenses?utm_campaign=p_lico+share-sheet&utm_medium=copy_link&utm_source=customer

WTVR CBS News:  Colonial Parkway murders victims' families keep hope cases will be solved:

https://www.wtvr.com/news/local-news/colonial-parkway-murders-update-april-19-2024

WAVY TV 10 News:  New questions raised in Colonial Parkway murders:

https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/new-questions-raised-in-colonial-parkway-murders/

Alan Wade Wilmer, Sr. has been named as the killer of Robin Edwards and David Knobling in the Colonial Parkway Murders in September 1987, as well as the murderer of Teresa Howell in June 1989. He has also been linked to the April 1988 disappearance and likely murder of Keith Call and Cassandra Hailey, another pair in the Colonial Parkway Murders.

13News Now investigates: A serial killer's DNA will not be entered into CODIS database:

https://www.13newsnow.com/video/news/local/13news-now-investigates/291-e82a9e0b-38e3-4f95-982a-40e960a71e49

WAVY TV 10 on the Colonial Parkway Murders Announcement with photos:

https://www.wavy.com/news/crime/deceased-man-identified-as-suspect-in-decades-old-homicides/

WTKR News 3

https://www.wtkr.com/news/is-man-linked-to-one-of-the-colonial-parkway-murders-connected-to-the-other-cases

Virginian Pilot: Who was Alan Wade Wilmer Sr.? Man suspected in two ‘Colonial Parkway’ murders died alone in 2017

https://www.pilotonline.com/2024/01/14/who-was-alan-wade-wilmer-sr-man-suspected-in-colonial-parkway-murders-died-alone-in-2017/

Colonial Parkway Murders Facebook page with more than 18,000 followers: https://www.facebook.com/ColonialParkwayCase

You can also participate in an in-depth discussion of the Colonial Parkway Murders here:
https://earonsgsk.proboards.com/board/50/colonial-parkway-murders

Mind Over Murder is proud to be a Spreaker Prime Podcaster:

https://www.spreaker.com

Join the discussion on our Mind Over Murder

Colonial Parkway Murders website: https://colonialparkwaymurders.com

Mind Over Murder Podcast website: https://mindovermurderpodcast.com

Please subscribe and rate us at your favorite podcast sites. Ratings and reviews are very important. Please share and tell your friends!

We launch a new episode of "Mind Over Murder" every Monday morning, and a bonus episode every Thursday morning.

Sponsors: Othram and DNAsolves.com

Contribute Your DNA to help solve cases: https://dnasolves.com/user/register

Follow "Mind Over Murder" on Twitter: https://twitter.com/MurderOver

Follow Bill Thomas on Twitter: https://twitter.com/BillThomas56

Follow "Colonial Parkway Murders" on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/ColonialParkwayCase/

Follow us on InstaGram:: https://www.instagram.com/colonialparkwaymurders/

Check out the entire Crawlspace Media network at http://crawlspace-media.com/

All rights reserved. Mind Over Murder, Copyright Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley,
Another Dog Productions/Absolute Zero Productions

Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/mind-over-murder--4847179/support.

Author and podcaster Kate Winkler Dawson joins "Mind Over Murder" hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley to discuss her new book, "The Sinners All Bow: Two Authors, One Murder and the Real Hester Prynne."  We also touch on "Buried Bones," her historical true crime podcast with investigator Paul Holes.  This bonus episode of "Mind Over Murder" originally ran on February 24, 2025.

The Sinners All Bow: Two Authors, One Murder and the Real Hester Prynne:

https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/727618/the-sinners-all-bow-by-kate-winkler-dawson/

Buried Bones Podcast:

https://www.exactlyrightmedia.com/buried-bones

WTKR News 3: One year after development in Colonial Parkway Murders, where do things stand?

https://www.wtkr.com/news/in-the-community/historic-triangle/one-year-after-development-in-colonial-parkway-murders-where-do-things-stand

Won't you help the Mind Over Murder podcast increase our visibility and shine the spotlight on the "Colonial Parkway Murders" and other unsolved cases? Contribute any amount you can here:

https://www.gofundme.com/f/mind-over-murder-podcast-expenses?utm_campaign=p_lico+share-sheet&utm_medium=copy_link&utm_source=customer

WTVR CBS News:  Colonial Parkway murders victims' families keep hope cases will be solved:

https://www.wtvr.com/news/local-news/colonial-parkway-murders-update-april-19-2024

WAVY TV 10 News:  New questions raised in Colonial Parkway murders:

https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/new-questions-raised-in-colonial-parkway-murders/

Alan Wade Wilmer, Sr. has been named as the killer of Robin Edwards and David Knobling in the Colonial Parkway Murders in September 1987, as well as the murderer of Teresa Howell in June 1989. He has also been linked to the April 1988 disappearance and likely murder of Keith Call and Cassandra Hailey, another pair in the Colonial Parkway Murders.

13News Now investigates: A serial killer's DNA will not be entered into CODIS database:

https://www.13newsnow.com/video/news/local/13news-now-investigates/291-e82a9e0b-38e3-4f95-982a-40e960a71e49

WAVY TV 10 on the Colonial Parkway Murders Announcement with photos:

https://www.wavy.com/news/crime/deceased-man-identified-as-suspect-in-decades-old-homicides/

WTKR News 3

https://www.wtkr.com/news/is-man-linked-to-one-of-the-colonial-parkway-murders-connected-to-the-other-cases

Virginian Pilot: Who was Alan Wade Wilmer Sr.? Man suspected in two ‘Colonial Parkway’ murders died alone in 2017

https://www.pilotonline.com/2024/01/14/who-was-alan-wade-wilmer-sr-man-suspected-in-colonial-parkway-murders-died-alone-in-2017/

Colonial Parkway Murders Facebook page with more than 18,000 followers: https://www.facebook.com/ColonialParkwayCase

You can also participate in an in-depth discussion of the Colonial Parkway Murders here:
https://earonsgsk.proboards.com/board/50/colonial-parkway-murders

Mind Over Murder is proud to be a Spreaker Prime Podcaster:

https://www.spreaker.com

Join the discussion on our Mind Over Murder

Colonial Parkway Murders website: https://colonialparkwaymurders.com

Mind Over Murder Podcast website: https://mindovermurderpodcast.com

Please subscribe and rate us at your favorite podcast sites. Ratings and reviews are very important. Please share and tell your friends!

We launch a new episode of "Mind Over Murder" every Monday morning, and a bonus episode every Thursday morning.

Sponsors: Othram and DNAsolves.com

Contribute Your DNA to help solve cases: https://dnasolves.com/user/register

Follow "Mind Over Murder" on Twitter: https://twitter.com/MurderOver

Follow Bill Thomas on Twitter: https://twitter.com/BillThomas56

Follow "Colonial Parkway Murders" on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/ColonialParkwayCase/

Follow us on InstaGram:: https://www.instagram.com/colonialparkwaymurders/

Check out the entire Crawlspace Media network at http://crawlspace-media.com/

All rights reserved. Mind Over Murder, Copyright Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley,
Another Dog Productions/Absolute Zero Productions

Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/mind-over-murder--4847179/support.

"Mind Over Murder" hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley discuss the mysterious case of D B Cooper with Darren Schaefer, the host of "The Cooper Vortex" podcast.  Dan "DB" Cooper, who successfully hijacked a Northwest Airlines passenger jet and parachuted into the dense forest of the Pacific Northwest. He was never caught, although a small amount of the $200,000 ransom was later recovered. This is Part 4 of 4 parts on the Dan "DB" Cooper case.

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The Cooper Vortex Podcast: 
https://thecoopervortex.podbean.com/

DB Cooper Sleuth on YouTube:
https://www.youtube.com/@dbcoopersleuth

October 2023 Popular Mechanics article--Newcomb:
https://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/airlines/a43298881/db-cooper-case-could-be-
solved-dna/

October 2023 Popular Mechanics article—Natale:
https://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/a45639586/who-was-db-cooper/

January 2024 Popular Mechanics article:
https://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/a46332899/new-evidence-db-cooper-mystery/

February 2024 Popular Mechanics article:
https://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/a46788110/db-cooper-confession-new-
evidence-identity/

History.Com: https://www.history.com/articles/who-was-d-b-cooper

FBI.GOV: https://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-cases/db-cooper-hijacking

September 2011 NPR: All Things Considered interview:
https://www.npr.org/2011/09/25/140216653/skyjack-the-unsolved-case-of-d-b-coopers-
escape

DB Cooper: https://dbcooperhijack.com/2019/01/04/d-b-cooper-cary-grant-and-the-
1959-film-north-by-northwest/

WTKR News 3: One year after development in Colonial Parkway Murders, where do things stand?

https://www.wtkr.com/news/in-the-community/historic-triangle/one-year-after-development-in-colonial-parkway-murders-where-do-things-stand

Won't you help the Mind Over Murder podcast increase our visibility and shine the spotlight on the "Colonial Parkway Murders" and other unsolved cases? Contribute any amount you can here:

https://www.gofundme.com/f/mind-over-murder-podcast-expenses?utm_campaign=p_lico+share-sheet&utm_medium=copy_link&utm_source=customer

WTVR CBS News:  Colonial Parkway murders victims' families keep hope cases will be solved:

https://www.wtvr.com/news/local-news/colonial-parkway-murders-update-april-19-2024

WAVY TV 10 News:  New questions raised in Colonial Parkway murders:

https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/new-questions-raised-in-colonial-parkway-murders/

Alan Wade Wilmer, Sr. has been named as the killer of Robin Edwards and David Knobling in the Colonial Parkway Murders in September 1987, as well as the murderer of Teresa Howell in June 1989. He has also been linked to the April 1988 disappearance and likely murder of Keith Call and Cassandra Hailey, another pair in the Colonial Parkway Murders.

13News Now investigates: A serial killer's DNA will not be entered into CODIS database:

https://www.13newsnow.com/video/news/local/13news-now-investigates/291-e82a9e0b-38e3-4f95-982a-40e960a71e49

WAVY TV 10 on the Colonial Parkway Murders Announcement with photos:

https://www.wavy.com/news/crime/deceased-man-identified-as-suspect-in-decades-old-homicides/

WTKR News 3

https://www.wtkr.com/news/is-man-linked-to-one-of-the-colonial-parkway-murders-connected-to-the-other-cases

Virginian Pilot: Who was Alan Wade Wilmer Sr.? Man suspected in two ‘Colonial Parkway’ murders died alone in 2017

https://www.pilotonline.com/2024/01/14/who-was-alan-wade-wilmer-sr-man-suspected-in-colonial-parkway-murders-died-alone-in-2017/

Colonial Parkway Murders Facebook page with more than 18,000 followers: https://www.facebook.com/ColonialParkwayCase

You can also participate in an in-depth discussion of the Colonial Parkway Murders here:
https://earonsgsk.proboards.com/board/50/colonial-parkway-murders

Mind Over Murder is proud to be a Spreaker Prime Podcaster:

https://www.spreaker.com

Join the discussion on our Mind Over Murder

Colonial Parkway Murders website: https://colonialparkwaymurders.com

Mind Over Murder Podcast website: https://mindovermurderpodcast.com

Please subscribe and rate us at your favorite podcast sites. Ratings and reviews are very important. Please share and tell your friends!

We launch a new episode of "Mind Over Murder" every Monday morning, and a bonus episode every Thursday morning.

Sponsors: Othram and DNAsolves.com

Contribute Your DNA to help solve cases: https://dnasolves.com/user/register

Follow "Mind Over Murder" on Twitter: https://twitter.com/MurderOver

Follow Bill Thomas on Twitter: https://twitter.com/BillThomas56

Follow "Colonial Parkway Murders" on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/ColonialParkwayCase/

Follow us on InstaGram:: https://www.instagram.com/colonialparkwaymurders/

Check out the entire Crawlspace Media network at http://crawlspace-media.com/

All rights reserved. Mind Over Murder, Copyright Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley,
Another Dog Productions/Absolute Zero Productions

Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/mind-over-murder--4847179/support.

Join "Mind Over Murder" co-hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley as they meet award winning author and historian Anne Soon Choi to discuss her new book "L.A. Coroner: Thomas Noguchi and Death in Hollywood," which tells the story of one of America's most prominent medical examiners. Dr. Noguchi's outstanding and sometimes controversial work earned him the nickname "Coroner to the Stars."  This bonus episode of "mind Over Murder" originally ran on February 17, 2025.

L.A. Coroner: Thomas Noguchi and Death in Hollywood book: 

https://thirdstatebooks.com/pages/la-coroner

Amazon:  L.A. Coroner: Thomas Noguchi and Death in Hollywood

https://www.amazon.com/L-Coroner-Thomas-Noguchi-Hollywood/dp/B0CRKJSRWF

Goodreads:  L.A. Coroner: Thomas Noguchi and Death in Hollywood

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/204879625-l-a-coroner?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=Uze0rfkiU9&rank=2

WTKR News 3: One year after development in Colonial Parkway Murders, where do things stand?

https://www.wtkr.com/news/in-the-community/historic-triangle/one-year-after-development-in-colonial-parkway-murders-where-do-things-stand

Won't you help the Mind Over Murder podcast increase our visibility and shine the spotlight on the "Colonial Parkway Murders" and other unsolved cases? Contribute any amount you can here:

https://www.gofundme.com/f/mind-over-murder-podcast-expenses?utm_campaign=p_lico+share-sheet&utm_medium=copy_link&utm_source=customer

WTVR CBS News:  Colonial Parkway murders victims' families keep hope cases will be solved:

https://www.wtvr.com/news/local-news/colonial-parkway-murders-update-april-19-2024

WAVY TV 10 News:  New questions raised in Colonial Parkway murders:

https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/new-questions-raised-in-colonial-parkway-murders/

Alan Wade Wilmer, Sr. has been named as the killer of Robin Edwards and David Knobling in the Colonial Parkway Murders in September 1987, as well as the murderer of Teresa Howell in June 1989. He has also been linked to the April 1988 disappearance and likely murder of Keith Call and Cassandra Hailey, another pair in the Colonial Parkway Murders.

13News Now investigates: A serial killer's DNA will not be entered into CODIS database:

https://www.13newsnow.com/video/news/local/13news-now-investigates/291-e82a9e0b-38e3-4f95-982a-40e960a71e49

WAVY TV 10 on the Colonial Parkway Murders Announcement with photos:

https://www.wavy.com/news/crime/deceased-man-identified-as-suspect-in-decades-old-homicides/

WTKR News 3

https://www.wtkr.com/news/is-man-linked-to-one-of-the-colonial-parkway-murders-connected-to-the-other-cases

Virginian Pilot: Who was Alan Wade Wilmer Sr.? Man suspected in two ‘Colonial Parkway’ murders died alone in 2017

https://www.pilotonline.com/2024/01/14/who-was-alan-wade-wilmer-sr-man-suspected-in-colonial-parkway-murders-died-alone-in-2017/

Colonial Parkway Murders Facebook page with more than 18,000 followers: https://www.facebook.com/ColonialParkwayCase

You can also participate in an in-depth discussion of the Colonial Parkway Murders here:
https://earonsgsk.proboards.com/board/50/colonial-parkway-murders

Mind Over Murder is proud to be a Spreaker Prime Podcaster:

https://www.spreaker.com

Join the discussion on our Mind Over Murder

Colonial Parkway Murders website: https://colonialparkwaymurders.com

Mind Over Murder Podcast website: https://mindovermurderpodcast.com

Please subscribe and rate us at your favorite podcast sites. Ratings and reviews are very important. Please share and tell your friends!

We launch a new episode of "Mind Over Murder" every Monday morning, and a bonus episode every Thursday morning.

Sponsors: Othram and DNAsolves.com

Contribute Your DNA to help solve cases: https://dnasolves.com/user/register

Follow "Mind Over Murder" on Twitter: https://twitter.com/MurderOver

Follow Bill Thomas on Twitter: https://twitter.com/BillThomas56

Follow "Colonial Parkway Murders" on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/ColonialParkwayCase/

Follow us on InstaGram:: https://www.instagram.com/colonialparkwaymurders/

Check out the entire Crawlspace Media network at http://crawlspace-media.com/

All rights reserved. Mind Over Murder, Copyright Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley,
Another Dog Productions/Absolute Zero Productions

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"Mind Over Murder" hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley discuss the mysterious case of D B Cooper with Darren Schaefer, the host of "The Cooper Vortex" podcast.  Dan "DB" Cooper, who successfully hijacked a Northwest Airlines passenger jet and parachuted into the dense forest of the Pacific Northwest. He was never caught, although a small amount of the $200,000 ransom was later recovered. This is Part 3 of 4 parts on the Dan "DB" Cooper case.

The Cooper Vortex Podcast: 
https://thecoopervortex.podbean.com/

October 2023 Popular Mechanics article--Newcomb:
https://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/airlines/a43298881/db-cooper-case-could-be-
solved-dna/

October 2023 Popular Mechanics article—Natale:
https://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/a45639586/who-was-db-cooper/

January 2024 Popular Mechanics article:
https://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/a46332899/new-evidence-db-cooper-mystery/

February 2024 Popular Mechanics article:
https://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/a46788110/db-cooper-confession-new-
evidence-identity/

History.Com: https://www.history.com/articles/who-was-d-b-cooper

FBI.GOV: https://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-cases/db-cooper-hijacking

September 2011 NPR: All Things Considered interview:
https://www.npr.org/2011/09/25/140216653/skyjack-the-unsolved-case-of-d-b-coopers-
escape

DB Cooper: https://dbcooperhijack.com/2019/01/04/d-b-cooper-cary-grant-and-the-
1959-film-north-by-northwest/

WTKR News 3: One year after development in Colonial Parkway Murders, where do things stand?

https://www.wtkr.com/news/in-the-community/historic-triangle/one-year-after-development-in-colonial-parkway-murders-where-do-things-stand

Won't you help the Mind Over Murder podcast increase our visibility and shine the spotlight on the "Colonial Parkway Murders" and other unsolved cases? Contribute any amount you can here:

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WTVR CBS News:  Colonial Parkway murders victims' families keep hope cases will be solved:

https://www.wtvr.com/news/local-news/colonial-parkway-murders-update-april-19-2024

WAVY TV 10 News:  New questions raised in Colonial Parkway murders:

https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/new-questions-raised-in-colonial-parkway-murders/

Alan Wade Wilmer, Sr. has been named as the killer of Robin Edwards and David Knobling in the Colonial Parkway Murders in September 1987, as well as the murderer of Teresa Howell in June 1989. He has also been linked to the April 1988 disappearance and likely murder of Keith Call and Cassandra Hailey, another pair in the Colonial Parkway Murders.

13News Now investigates: A serial killer's DNA will not be entered into CODIS database:

https://www.13newsnow.com/video/news/local/13news-now-investigates/291-e82a9e0b-38e3-4f95-982a-40e960a71e49

WAVY TV 10 on the Colonial Parkway Murders Announcement with photos:

https://www.wavy.com/news/crime/deceased-man-identified-as-suspect-in-decades-old-homicides/

WTKR News 3

https://www.wtkr.com/news/is-man-linked-to-one-of-the-colonial-parkway-murders-connected-to-the-other-cases

Virginian Pilot: Who was Alan Wade Wilmer Sr.? Man suspected in two ‘Colonial Parkway’ murders died alone in 2017

https://www.pilotonline.com/2024/01/14/who-was-alan-wade-wilmer-sr-man-suspected-in-colonial-parkway-murders-died-alone-in-2017/

Colonial Parkway Murders Facebook page with more than 18,000 followers: https://www.facebook.com/ColonialParkwayCase

You can also participate in an in-depth discussion of the Colonial Parkway Murders here:
https://earonsgsk.proboards.com/board/50/colonial-parkway-murders

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Join "Mind Over Murder" podcast hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley as we discuss the New York Times Magazine article by Pamela Colloff: "He Dialed 911 to Save His Baby. Then His Children Were Taken Away.  The controversial medical diagnosis of shaken baby syndrome can send parents to jail. What if the symptoms are caused by something else?" This bonus episode of "Mind Over Murder" originally ran on January 20, 2025.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/29/magazine/shaken-baby-syndrome-diagnosis.html

CrimeCon:  We’re going to CrimeCon again, folks! Join us in Denver for new merch, some MOM listener hangouts, and a lot of fun! Use the code MINDOVERMURDER to get 10% off your tickets between now and September! See you there!

WTKR News 3: One year after development in Colonial Parkway Murders, where do things stand?

https://www.wtkr.com/news/in-the-community/historic-triangle/one-year-after-development-in-colonial-parkway-murders-where-do-things-stand

Won't you help the Mind Over Murder podcast increase our visibility and shine the spotlight on the "Colonial Parkway Murders" and other unsolved cases? Contribute any amount you can here:

https://www.gofundme.com/f/mind-over-murder-podcast-expenses?utm_campaign=p_lico+share-sheet&utm_medium=copy_link&utm_source=customer

WTVR CBS News:  Colonial Parkway murders victims' families keep hope cases will be solved:

https://www.wtvr.com/news/local-news/colonial-parkway-murders-update-april-19-2024

WAVY TV 10 News:  New questions raised in Colonial Parkway murders:

https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/new-questions-raised-in-colonial-parkway-murders/

Alan Wade Wilmer, Sr. has been named as the killer of Robin Edwards and David Knobling in the Colonial Parkway Murders in September 1987, as well as the murderer of Teresa Howell in June 1989. He has also been linked to the April 1988 disappearance and likely murder of Keith Call and Cassandra Hailey, another pair in the Colonial Parkway Murders.

13News Now investigates: A serial killer's DNA will not be entered into CODIS database:

https://www.13newsnow.com/video/news/local/13news-now-investigates/291-e82a9e0b-38e3-4f95-982a-40e960a71e49

WAVY TV 10 on the Colonial Parkway Murders Announcement with photos:

https://www.wavy.com/news/crime/deceased-man-identified-as-suspect-in-decades-old-homicides/

WTKR News 3

https://www.wtkr.com/news/is-man-linked-to-one-of-the-colonial-parkway-murders-connected-to-the-other-cases

Virginian Pilot: Who was Alan Wade Wilmer Sr.? Man suspected in two ‘Colonial Parkway’ murders died alone in 2017

https://www.pilotonline.com/2024/01/14/who-was-alan-wade-wilmer-sr-man-suspected-in-colonial-parkway-murders-died-alone-in-2017/

Colonial Parkway Murders Facebook page with more than 18,000 followers: https://www.facebook.com/ColonialParkwayCase

You can also participate in an in-depth discussion of the Colonial Parkway Murders here:
https://earonsgsk.proboards.com/board/50/colonial-parkway-murders

Mind Over Murder is proud to be a Spreaker Prime Podcaster:

https://www.spreaker.com

Join the discussion on our Mind Over Murder

Colonial Parkway Murders website: https://colonialparkwaymurders.com

Mind Over Murder Podcast website: https://mindovermurderpodcast.com

Please subscribe and rate us at your favorite podcast sites. Ratings and reviews are very important. Please share and tell your friends!

We launch a new episode of "Mind Over Murder" every Monday morning, and a bonus episode every Thursday morning.

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Contribute Your DNA to help solve cases: https://dnasolves.com/user/register

Follow "Mind Over Murder" on Twitter: https://twitter.com/MurderOver

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Follow "Colonial Parkway Murders" on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/ColonialParkwayCase/

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Check out the entire Crawlspace Media network at http://crawlspace-media.com/

All rights reserved. Mind Over Murder, Copyright Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley,
Another Dog Productions/Absolute Zero Productions

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"Mind Over Murder" hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley discuss the mysterious case of D B Cooper, who successfully hijacked a Northwest Airlines passenger jet and parachuted into the dense forest of the Pacific Northwest. He was never caught, although a small amount of the $200,000 ransom was later recovered. This is Part 2 of 4 parts on the Dan "DB" Cooper case.

CrimeCon:  We’re going to CrimeCon again, folks! Join us in Denver for new merch, some MOM listener hangouts, and a lot of fun! Use the code MINDOVERMURDER to get 10% off your tickets between now and September! See you there!

October 2023 Popular Mechanics article--Newcomb:
https://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/airlines/a43298881/db-cooper-case-could-be-
solved-dna/

October 2023 Popular Mechanics article—Natale:
https://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/a45639586/who-was-db-cooper/

January 2024 Popular Mechanics article:
https://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/a46332899/new-evidence-db-cooper-mystery/

February 2024 Popular Mechanics article:
https://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/a46788110/db-cooper-confession-new-
evidence-identity/

History.Com: https://www.history.com/articles/who-was-d-b-cooper

FBI.GOV: https://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-cases/db-cooper-hijacking

September 2011 NPR: All Things Considered interview:
https://www.npr.org/2011/09/25/140216653/skyjack-the-unsolved-case-of-d-b-coopers-
escape

DB Cooper: https://dbcooperhijack.com/2019/01/04/d-b-cooper-cary-grant-and-the-
1959-film-north-by-northwest/

WTKR News 3: One year after development in Colonial Parkway Murders, where do things stand?

https://www.wtkr.com/news/in-the-community/historic-triangle/one-year-after-development-in-colonial-parkway-murders-where-do-things-stand

Won't you help the Mind Over Murder podcast increase our visibility and shine the spotlight on the "Colonial Parkway Murders" and other unsolved cases? Contribute any amount you can here:

https://www.gofundme.com/f/mind-over-murder-podcast-expenses?utm_campaign=p_lico+share-sheet&utm_medium=copy_link&utm_source=customer

WTVR CBS News:  Colonial Parkway murders victims' families keep hope cases will be solved:

https://www.wtvr.com/news/local-news/colonial-parkway-murders-update-april-19-2024

WAVY TV 10 News:  New questions raised in Colonial Parkway murders:

https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/new-questions-raised-in-colonial-parkway-murders/

Alan Wade Wilmer, Sr. has been named as the killer of Robin Edwards and David Knobling in the Colonial Parkway Murders in September 1987, as well as the murderer of Teresa Howell in June 1989. He has also been linked to the April 1988 disappearance and likely murder of Keith Call and Cassandra Hailey, another pair in the Colonial Parkway Murders.

13News Now investigates: A serial killer's DNA will not be entered into CODIS database:

https://www.13newsnow.com/video/news/local/13news-now-investigates/291-e82a9e0b-38e3-4f95-982a-40e960a71e49

WAVY TV 10 on the Colonial Parkway Murders Announcement with photos:

https://www.wavy.com/news/crime/deceased-man-identified-as-suspect-in-decades-old-homicides/

WTKR News 3

https://www.wtkr.com/news/is-man-linked-to-one-of-the-colonial-parkway-murders-connected-to-the-other-cases

Virginian Pilot: Who was Alan Wade Wilmer Sr.? Man suspected in two ‘Colonial Parkway’ murders died alone in 2017

https://www.pilotonline.com/2024/01/14/who-was-alan-wade-wilmer-sr-man-suspected-in-colonial-parkway-murders-died-alone-in-2017/

Colonial Parkway Murders Facebook page with more than 18,000 followers: https://www.facebook.com/ColonialParkwayCase

You can also participate in an in-depth discussion of the Colonial Parkway Murders here:
https://earonsgsk.proboards.com/board/50/colonial-parkway-murders

Mind Over Murder is proud to be a Spreaker Prime Podcaster:

https://www.spreaker.com

Join the discussion on our Mind Over Murder

Colonial Parkway Murders website: https://colonialparkwaymurders.com

Mind Over Murder Podcast website: https://mindovermurderpodcast.com

Please subscribe and rate us at your favorite podcast sites. Ratings and reviews are very important. Please share and tell your friends!

We launch a new episode of "Mind Over Murder" every Monday morning, and a bonus episode every Thursday morning.

Sponsors: Othram and DNAsolves.com

Contribute Your DNA to help solve cases: https://dnasolves.com/user/register

Follow "Mind Over Murder" on Twitter: https://twitter.com/MurderOver

Follow Bill Thomas on Twitter: https://twitter.com/BillThomas56

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James Lee Hernandez and Brian Lazarte, writer/producers of "McMillions: The Absolutely True Story of How and Unlikely Pair of FBI Agents Brought Down the Most Supersized Fraud in Fast Food History" join "Mind Over Murder" hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley for a great discussion of their true crime series, book and podcasts.  This bonus episode of "Mind Over Murder" originally ran on December 23, 2024.



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McMillions HBO Series:

https://www.hbo.com/mc-millions

Goodreads: McMillions: The Absolutely True Story of How an Unlikely Pair of FBI Agents Brought Down the Most Supersized Fraud in Fast Food History

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/203163978-mcmillions?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=W81XO5X0Mo&rank=1

Won't you help the Mind Over Murder podcast increase our visibility and shine the spotlight on the "Colonial Parkway Murders" and other unsolved cases? Contribute any amount you can here:

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WTVR CBS News:  Colonial Parkway murders victims' families keep hope cases will be solved:

https://www.wtvr.com/news/local-news/colonial-parkway-murders-update-april-19-2024

WAVY TV 10 News:  New questions raised in Colonial Parkway murders:

https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/new-questions-raised-in-colonial-parkway-murders/

WTKR News 3: Colonial Parkway Murders podcast records in Yorktown:

https://www.wtkr.com/news/in-the-community/historic-triangle/colonial-parkway-murders-podcast-records-in-yorktown

WVEC 13 News Now:  Live Podcast to Discuss Colonial Parkway Murders Monday in Yorktown

https://www.13newsnow.com/article/news/crime/true-crime/live-podcast-to-discuss-colonial-parkway-murders-monday-yorktown/291-601dd2b9-d9f2-4b41-a3e1-44bce6f9f6c6

Alan Wade Wilmer Sr. has been named as the killer of Robin Edwards and David Knobling in the Colonial Parkway Murders in September 1987, as well as the murderer of Teresa Howell in June 1989. He has also been linked to the April 1988 disappearance and likely murder of Keith Call and Cassandra Hailey, another pair in the Colonial Parkway Murders.

13News Now investigates: A serial killer's DNA will not be entered into CODIS database:

https://www.13newsnow.com/video/news/local/13news-now-investigates/291-e82a9e0b-38e3-4f95-982a-40e960a71e49

WAVY TV 10 on the Colonial Parkway Murders Announcement with photos:

https://www.wavy.com/news/crime/deceased-man-identified-as-suspect-in-decades-old-homicides/

WTKR News 3

https://www.wtkr.com/news/is-man-linked-to-one-of-the-colonial-parkway-murders-connected-to-the-other-cases

Virginian Pilot: Who was Alan Wade Wilmer Sr.? Man suspected in two ‘Colonial Parkway’ murders died alone in 2017

https://www.pilotonline.com/2024/01/14/who-was-alan-wade-wilmer-sr-man-suspected-in-colonial-parkway-murders-died-alone-in-2017/

Colonial Parkway Murders Facebook page with more than 18,000 followers: https://www.facebook.com/ColonialParkwayCase

You can also participate in an in-depth discussion of the Colonial Parkway Murders here:
https://earonsgsk.proboards.com/board/50/colonial-parkway-murders

Mind Over Murder is proud to be a Spreaker Prime Podcaster:

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Join the discussion on our Mind Over Murder and Colonial Parkway Murders pages on Facebook.

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Daily Beast: "Inside the Maddening Search for Virginia’s Colonial Parkway Serial Killer" By Justin Rohrlich

https://www.thedailybeast.com/what-happened-to-cathleen-thomas-and-rebecca-dowski-inside-the-hunt-for-the-colonial-parkway-killer

Citizens! Check out our new line of "Mind Over Murder" t-shirts and other good stuff !

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Washington Post Op-Ed Piece by Deidre Enright of the Innocence Project:

"The FBI should use DNA, not posters, to solve a cold-case murder"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/06/25/julie-williams-laura-winans-unsolved-murder-test-dna/

Oxygen: "Loni Coombs Feels A Kinship To 'Lovers' Lane' Victim Cathy Thomas"

Loni Coombs felt an immediate connection to Cathy Thomas, a groundbreaking gay woman who broke through barriers at the U.S. Naval Academy before she was brutally murdered along the Colonial Parkway in Virginia.

https://www.oxygen.com/crime-news/loni-coombs-feels-a-kinship-to-colonial-parkway-victim-cathy-thomas

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Four one-hour episodes on the Colonial Parkway Murders are available on Oxygen as "The Lover's Lane Murders." The series is available on the free Oxygen app, Hulu, YouTube, Amazon, and many other platforms. https://www.oxygen.com/lovers-lane-murders

Oxygen" "Who Were The Colonial Parkway Murder Victims? 8 Young People All Killed In Virginia Within 4 Years" https://www.oxygen.com/lovers-lane-murders/crime-news/who-were-the-colonial-parkway-murder-victims

Washington Post Magazine: "Victims, Families and America’s Thirst for True-Crime Stories." "For Bill Thomas, his sister Cathy’s murder is a deeply personal tragedy. For millions of true-crime fans, it’s entertainment." https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/magazine/wp/2019/07/30/feature/victims-families-and-americas-thirst-for-true-crime-stories/

Daily Press excellent series of articles on the Colonial Parkway Murders: "The Parkway" http://digital.dailypress.com/static/parkway_cottage/main/index.html

Colonial Parkway Murders website: https://colonialparkwaymurders.com

Mind Over Murder Podcast website: https://mindovermurderpodcast.com

Please subscribe and rate us at your favorite podcast sites. Ratings and reviews are very important. Please share and tell your friends!

We launch a new episode of "Mind Over Murder" every Monday morning, and a bonus episode every Thursday morning.

Sponsors: Othram and DNAsolves.com

Contribute Your DNA to help solve cases: https://dnasolves.com/user/register

Follow "Mind Over Murder" on Twitter: https://twitter.com/MurderOver

Follow Bill Thomas on Twitter: https://twitter.com/BillThomas56

Follow "Colonial Parkway Murders" on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/ColonialParkwayCase/

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All rights reserved. Mind Over Murder, Copyright Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley,
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